alanmin4304 Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 It is important that importing is properly controlled because if not, when some nasty fish or disease is introduced every non fishy person will be clammering to have it stopped. I imported goldfish many years ago and the people supervising it then made it so tough that I flagged it. These people are trying to make a living importing and if it gets too tough they will have to flag it. At the moment it seems there are a few prepared to continue and that is good. If you look at the standards required in our freezing works by importing countries and compare that to the domestic standards in that country you can see how much relates to food hygiene and how much to politics. I suspect some of the requirements at present may be similar. I was present at the meeting with importers and Maf prior to the present regulations being promolgated ( I was asked to chair the meeting) and they seemed a reasonable compromise between the desires of Maf and the importers. To the best of my knowledge the Regs are still the same but what we have is different people puting different interpretations on those Regs. I spent most of my working life working with legislation and the words mean what the words say, not what the person who wrote them meant to say or the person who is inforcing them thinks they might mean. What it neads is someone with megabucks to take them on but there are not megabucks in importing fish so it aint gunna happen. I just hope that those doing it are able to hang in there until it settles down. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmxmatt Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 I've got no problems with what they do, its just they focus on things which make bugger all difference, and ignore the real potential problems! Like Conch said in a post somewhere, MAF are worried about someone using a bucket they've used in the tank, to collect NSW, but dont care about a cargo ship which releases thousands of litres of ballast water (which was most probably collected over in asia somewhere) into our harbours. Their priorities need to change. Yes I agree that some species of fish/inverts can/will cause a problem if released into our waters. Do they have to make things hard for everyone due to these few species? No, they just choose to so they can make it so difficult that people will give up and its 1 less thing for them to worry about. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolliolli Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 im interested conch was the girl you knew working as a maf assistant or investigator? the requirements are quite different Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tHEcONCH Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 im interested conch was the girl you knew working as a maf assistant or investigator? the requirements are quite different Inspecting stuff at the Airport apparently - I'm not sure which title she has. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted April 9, 2008 Report Share Posted April 9, 2008 They are the people who used to do the approvals and inspections but not now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmxmatt Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 If FMXMatt = Homer and MAF = Bart Then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tHEcONCH Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 jolliolli is MARGE? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmxmatt Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 LOL Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolliolli Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 :lol: :lol: is that what i've become an internet nanny?! i wonder how i'd look with a blue beehive.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidb Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 a bit like Amy Winehouse I presume.. although you would be yellow and blue Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jolliolli Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 if thats me and matt then this must be you conch Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmxmatt Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 :lol: :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sapphire Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Nice!!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 The previous inspections were done by border security Maf people but the problems now are coming from vets as I understand it. So what do the vets have to do with marine fish? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 The same as fresh water fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 The same as fresh water fish. So....they do what? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tHEcONCH Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 So....they do what? They try to suppress their feelings of inadequacy from failing med school and having to become vets instead by being a complete pain in the behind and applying legislation in a hamfisted manner. At least, that's my take on it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted April 10, 2008 Report Share Posted April 10, 2008 Actually conch its the other way around, the people that fail vet school go on to become human doctors. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Zhacque Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 Actually conch its the other way around, the people that fail vet school go on to become human doctors. I agree..! Speaking as an Ambo, it must be far easier to diagnose an illness when you can communicate with the patient! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 I agree..! Speaking as an Ambo, it must be far easier to diagnose an illness when you can communicate with the patient! It sure is hard when they can't talk to you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIAN Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 HI All Its about time that the people that have an interest in keeping tropical and tropical Marine fish got together and started attacking MAF. MAF are the messenger boys, for the "hide under the covers group ERMA:, a lot of academics who wouldn't know which way was up and do this "BECAUSE THEY CAN" :evil: Remember the "GLOW DANIO FIASCO IN CHRISTCHURCH?" If anybody is interested I can make available the reply I got from them to the questions I asked "UNDER THE OFFICIAL INFORMATION ACT". Some of the answers leave a lot to be called honest or open. I would let the readers of those documents form their own conclusions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted April 11, 2008 Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 The restriction on the importation of fish and plants can be put on Erma but the requirements for quarantine are now under Maf Qual I think (I am sure someone will correct me if need be) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson Posted April 11, 2008 Author Report Share Posted April 11, 2008 HI All Its about time that the people that have an interest in keeping tropical and tropical Marine fish got together and started attacking MAF. MAF are the messenger boys, for the "hide under the covers group ERMA:, a lot of academics who wouldn't know which way was up and do this "BECAUSE THEY CAN" :evil: Remember the "GLOW DANIO FIASCO IN CHRISTCHURCH?" If anybody is interested I can make available the reply I got from them to the questions I asked "UNDER THE OFFICIAL INFORMATION ACT". Some of the answers leave a lot to be called honest or open. I would let the readers of those documents form their own conclusions. could you send it to me (my email is on my profile page) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MarkLB Posted April 12, 2008 Report Share Posted April 12, 2008 If anybody is interested I can make available the reply I got from them to the questions I asked "UNDER THE OFFICIAL INFORMATION ACT". Some of the answers leave a lot to be called honest or open. I would let the readers of those documents form their own conclusions. PM'd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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