reef Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 some info. The Hawaii Legislature is considering to pass a bill that will limit aquarium fish collection in Hawaii to 20 fish per collector per person with a maximum of 5 yellow tangs per day. The bill also will put a no take cap on angels, butterflies, boxfish, puffers,eels and many other species. The passage of this bill will essentially shut down the tropical fish industry in Hawaii Long time overdue. Make the most of marines as in the future it will be harder to get stock and very expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tHEcONCH Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Agreed, long overdue, however I'm sure Indonesia will simply carry on where Hawaii left off Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 will this apply to corals also or just fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 In general you will see change taking place in the industry as it cant contine at the rate it is being collected. You can get corals form hawaii. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gannet Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 so can fish like yellow tangs and other fish from hawaii (or anywhere in the world) be bread, maybe not in nz atm but in genral? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Only a few fish can be breed, 90% of fish are wild caught. When breed fish are available hobbyist dont want to pay the prices. So the future does not look great unless you want a tank full of clownfish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caper Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 reef wrote: 90% of fish are wild caught Do you mean just the species that you folks use in marine/reef set ups? Why are they so hard to breed? And if they could be, would that not be better than capturing them from the wild? Caper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
georgeous Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 Yea, but you go tell that to all the Hawaiins (my bad on the spelling) who are taking the fish and the selling them on... chances are it will be little kids doing it for fish overlords :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 hopefully a few people will try to beed more marine fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 When I was a Fresh Water Geek, I bred several species, including some of the "hard" ones. But with marine, even the "easy" ones are hard. However, anything could probably be done, if enough money was thrown at it. Herein lies the dilema. Yellow tangs for example, are a middle price range fish, being wild caught. To breed them, would probably involve putting a mated pair in a HUGE tank, swimming pool size. Yes, could be done, but it's going to cost. Would anyone pay it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tHEcONCH Posted January 29, 2008 Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 And if you can't make any real money breeding easy freshwater, there is no way you'll turn a profit on marine. It'll just be a case of having to pay the price or go without. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Where did you read this Reef? is there an article? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted January 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 http://www.capitol.hawaii.gov:80/sessio ... B3225_.htm http://www.seashepherd.org/editorials/e ... 14_1p.html The end is near, pretty bad on how much stock is taken from the Ocean. However it must be noted that what comes in NZ is like a needle in a hay stack. What we import in a year is what the USA along imports every hour. Not sure on how the long term outlook is but already it is becoming hard to get certain fish. If anyone what a black tang , i can spare one at $2000 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Well glad to see they are legislating, although as always with fishing, many years after it should have been done. The SeaShepherd article was choc full of inacuracies, this for example :- Quote - "The same yellow tang will die in a tank at 2 years max-if the tank is perfectly maintained, and if the tang or other fish came from Hawaii". However I agree with the general thrust of the article. Perhaps in Hawaii, and our own country, we could all be better off, if 50% of beach mileage was made into marine reserves. We would still need restrictions on the other 50%, but eventually, all would be better off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
camnbron Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 This post is off the masa site by an American member (so American dollars): Man fish are expensive down under! My Local Fish Store has two black tangs in right now and they are $350 retail, not too bad since they've been QT'd and they are in good shape. A friend of mine is arranging the next import of gems into the country and I think he'll be getting ~$1500 wholesale for them. Not too bad but I've seen both fish many times and they aren't all that given the price. MY current zebrasoma fascination is with this yellow scopas tang, it was really cool and it sold for only $69 or so. This post is from a topic titled "rare tangs" I guess that only makes the problem worse - they can get their stock so much cheaper because they get so much more stock than us. This then makes the stock more accessable to more people meaning they get more stock etc and the cycle continues..... There are some companies in around the world that are trying to commercially breed marine fish but like has been commented it not easy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted January 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 guess that only makes the problem worse - they can get their stock so much cheaper because they get so much more stock than us. This then makes the stock more accessable to more people meaning they get more stock etc and the cycle continues True, same problem in Nz , stock is too cheap. in fact some fish/coral are cheaper in NZ than the USA. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 i think more money should go into aquacultureing (sp) corals Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted January 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 i think more money should go into aquacultureing (sp) corals who is going to pay for it?? It is happening but the end result is that they cost far more as it take time to grow and you have to pay someone. lots of overheads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rspec Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 It is happening but the end result is that they cost far more as it take time to grow and you have to pay someone. lots of overheads. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 it dosnt need to cost much a few people could supply half the shops in new zealand - theres not that many yea some of the LPS corald will need to be imported (like brains because there hard to frag) leathers softies SPS corals arnt to hard from what ive read and seen yes they may be a bit smaller when you get them but that could be a good thing if there not imported then they could cost less - it would cut out shipping to nz and maf costs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmxmatt Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Wilson, i'll start one after I win lotto this weekend! Would love to be able to do it, unfortunatly its the cost involved as mentioned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted January 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 it dosnt need to cost much a few people could supply half the shops in new zealand - theres not that many yea some of the LPS corald will need to be imported (like brains because there hard to frag) leathers softies SPS corals arnt to hard from what ive read and seen yes they may be a bit smaller when you get them but that could be a good thing if there not imported then they could cost less - it would cut out shipping to nz and maf costs Because it wont work, a bit like put your hand up if you have added any new fish/coral to the MAF list. It is not that simple. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 once its set up and have a system going i see no reason why it wont work Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketman Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 the problem with aquaculture is that if something does go wrong, even slightly, teh density of species within the system means that the changes will domino effect, and also, if something fatal like, say tank breaks or somehow gets poisoned etc, the cost of replacement would make it wayyyyyy out of reach for most people. thats why salmon farms etc get investors to cover those sort of costs etc. and it is a full on occupation, not just a hobby at that point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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