Aqua Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 this was sold to me as an Amazon Sword, but I'm not too certain that's what it is... It was bought fully submersed, and has always been that way... The root structure is HUGE, as I found out when I had to move house a couple of months back! :lol: Can anyone give an edumacated guesstamite? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted September 15, 2003 Report Share Posted September 15, 2003 Well I have a Gforce 64meg card with P3 - 520ram and after waiting four minutes for it to load I gave up... why so big..? Tips look good though he he,. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Your video card has absolutely nothing to do with how long the picture takes to load. It's your internet connection, I'm assuming dialup? Looks like amazon sword...MUCH nicer than mine, mine's all covered with black patches of algae I can't scrape off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Sorry Aqua, having a bad hair day he he. Are you still on Paradise Ira..and are you on dial up, as it might be that ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Yeah, still on paradise and dialup. Only takes 30-40 seconds or so to download for me. I think it's a fairly good size for a big picture. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Must be the dialup... Took 2.5 mins tonight. Phoned Paradise and they said they had server probs. Nice pic Aqua. Not sure about it being an Amazon Sword though as the leaves start a lot nearer the base as here. http://www.fnzas.org.nz/320+B6JnVzZXJfc ... WI_.0.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 After looking closer, I think it's different than what I have, which after looking at your link, pegasus, isn't Amazon sword like I was thinking. I think what you've got might be borneo sword. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 I had not given up on this ID for you 95% of the swords that I know I have ruled out for various reasons. I am now considering a far smaller group that I know you are likely to be able to purchase in NZ. It is similar to plants like Echinodorus argentinensis (I have seen submersed growth look very much like yours, don't confuse emersed growth it is very much different most pics online are emerged, This is a very common plant that forgets to stop growing at times) , Ech pellucidus Sample Image (this one may have a different name nowdays still looking at times on this) But even the above names I am not happy with just yet. I do not consider it to be Ech paniculatus, Ech amazonicus, Ech bleheri for various reasons, these are all the so called Amazon swords. It could also very well be a hybrid or a throw back from another strain this is not uncommon, I often see strains having throw backs and not looking like the parent stock in any way, Marble queens are a classic example parent stock have the marble effects and yet the young can show no marble at all and are just green but with a similar shape leaf and growth habit to the mother plant, and in this example case it would also be hard to ID it would unlikely be ID'ed as a marble queen because of the all green leaf and yet it would not be fully ID'ed as anything else. Sorry Ira I am unable to agree that it looks anything like a borneo sword(Spatiphyllum wallisii) I look forward to other feed back that may point to a plant that I have not considered for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted September 16, 2003 Report Share Posted September 16, 2003 Post it in the Community Tank Aqua as off-ice may be able to ID it for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Posted September 27, 2003 Report Share Posted September 27, 2003 Paul, It looks similar to osiris but the leaf is not quite the right shape. Can Ech osiris cross with other swords? Its also lacking the red that osiris has but that colud be due to lighting and iron levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Paul Posted September 29, 2003 Report Share Posted September 29, 2003 Yes Ech osiris has been used in quite a few genetic crosses in countries like Germany,Holland and many other places like Singapore, These are the main sources for new hybrids and lots of work done in these places over the last few years is now becoming available on there respective markets (Not in NZ) worth looking at sometime using a translator. I did not consider that name at all sorry Warren nothing made me think it was a cross with osiris. Leaf tissue between the veins looks very different most osiris based plants tend to have a semi transparent type tissue with cross veins easy to see, This unknown plant in question strongly shows the main mid veins only. I also considered the length of the petiole (leaf stalk) compared to the length of the leaf and the picture shows that the petiole is at least as long as the leaf, This is one of the points that stands out to me and made me think that it was not the plants I have named that I consider it is not to be in the above post. And a few other factors that I will not go into. Echinodorus are so variable under different conditions and even some of the common types are not always easy to ID 100% straight off. Just yell out if you get a flower spike Aqua, perhaps you might consider sending one of the offspring my way so I am able to grow this plant under different conditions until it reveals itself as to what is is exactly. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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