bart687 Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Hi all, I am asking all for some help here, as I have lost four discus, and two angles all at the same time. my tank looks very bare now as the only fish in the tank are the clown loaches, neons,and two plocstomis or how you spell it, I just call the catfish. So those of yous out there that have knowledge about angels and other fish including discus, fell free to help as I may have to either startover again or just sell my tank. Craig. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suphew Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 Angels can carry parasites that dont harm them but will cause problems with discus. You need to do some water tests, and give us more information, tank size, filters, water changes, feeding details, etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sharn Posted August 29, 2006 Report Share Posted August 29, 2006 and whilst your getting onto that do a water change, 30-50% is good, anything will help just incase toxins (like sprays) have gotten into the water etc. if you have aged water thats even better to do the changes with all in the same day is quite strange, angels are quite hardy fish and i would expect them to perish after the clowns or plecos if something was amiss with the water. they fish werent displaying any sign of discomfort? was the behaviour all fine prior to this? if we could get the following details it would be neat- ph, ammonia, nitrite, nitrates plus the details suphew mentioned and sorry for your loss, its always nasty to lose one fish let alone a bunch, i hope we can help you work out what happened Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Also, what size is the tank and how long has it been set up? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Discusguru Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 also how long have you have your fish, were they introduce to the tank at the same time, how big are they? Ron Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bart687 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 I wish I knew how to send photos to yous of the tanks as I do have photos of the two tanks. No help from Palace Aqatics. If sombody knows could they tell me how to send digital photos through? From Craig Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 email them to me if you want Craig and I will post them for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Here are Craig's pics Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antwan Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 How often did you do water changes? The discus look quite big for that tank.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Damiana Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Yeah, I'd say that there was a major stocking problem. Those discus are far too large for that small tank, particularly with large angel fish. I imagine that no one told you that at the store, though. If you don't want to buy a test kit, you can take a water sample in to most fish stores and they'll run tests. Some places charge a dollar, but its worth it. When you do that, post your results and someone will discuss them with you. For now, I definitely second doing a large water change, and hold off on buying new fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 I second that. Discus are best with a minimum of 50L each and prefer at least 100L each. Many people keep them in less but they're never at their best. If all 4 discus were in the top tank, looks like they had only about 20L each at best. They're also good sized fish producing a lot of waste... I normally only stock 12-15 in my 1200L tank that's got a massive DIY filter (using 14L of Siporax and 15L of Effisubstrat) turning 6000L/hour + it's very heavily planted with MH & CO2... On top of that I do at least 50% water changes every week. I consider this the minimum for happy discus. They always look a lot better after a water change. I'd do water changes more often but it already costs enough to heat 600L a week up to tank temperature. Discus will survive with less but if you want them totally happy and breeding all the time, big tanks and lots of waterchanges is the answer. What filter is on the top tank - can't see one? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Warren Posted August 30, 2006 Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 Oh yeah, looks like part of the log... Too small!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bart687 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 How often did you do water changes? The discus look quite big for that tank.. I do water changes every saturday with both tanks and thats cleaning pumps and stones Etc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bart687 Posted August 30, 2006 Author Report Share Posted August 30, 2006 I second that. Discus are best with a minimum of 50L each and prefer at least 100L each. Many people keep them in less but they're never at their best. If all 4 discus were in the top tank, looks like they had only about 20L each at best. They're also good sized fish producing a lot of waste... I normally only stock 12-15 in my 1200L tank that's got a massive DIY filter (using 14L of Siporax and 15L of Effisubstrat) turning 6000L/hour + it's very heavily planted with MH & CO2... On top of that I do at least 50% water changes every week. I consider this the minimum for happy discus. They always look a lot better after a water change. I'd do water changes more often but it already costs enough to heat 600L a week up to tank temperature. Discus will survive with less but if you want them totally happy and breeding all the time, big tanks and lots of waterchanges is the answer. What filter is on the top tank - can't see one? Wareen I was looking at getting a larger tank but it was going to cost $2.999 just on three thousand and thats just one that the glass people make, imagine if you put both tanks together that would of been the lenght. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
quack Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 bart687 is live in nelson 2. ive just made my own glass tank and costed me $300 for the glass(from a glass company). if you go to petznall they will do water tests for you and will only cost $2 i think. i would agree with everyone else those tanks are quite small for you fish. i have also had a 230l glass tank made by palace aquatics too for $200. hope this helps. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MicB Posted August 31, 2006 Report Share Posted August 31, 2006 Looks like an Aquaone AR620 = 90liters Mike Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caper Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 I do water changes every saturday with both tanks and thats cleaning pumps and stones Etc I don't have discus but from what I've read here I understand they require lots of water changes. However, those with more experience please correct me if I'm wrong, wouldn't it be wrong to be cleaning "everything" in the tank on a weekly basis? Wouldn't cleaning "everything" destroy the good bacteria as well???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zev Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 Does the temp in the top tank say 28 or 23, can't quite make it out? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanksman Posted September 1, 2006 Report Share Posted September 1, 2006 it was going to cost $2.999 just on three thousand and thats just one that the glass people make, imagine if you put both tanks together that would of been the lenght. Think of it not as a cost rather an investment 8) Most tanks when correctly built with the right glass cost around $1 per litre so it depends on what you want in addition. I am happy with concrete blocks and 8" * 2" planks for my stands and have had no problems with them. Hoods and stands are not cheap and the fish really don't care too much about them at all. They must have the water conditions required tho and you either give them that in your "investment" or you regularly buy new fish to kill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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