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They are nice fish, really good temperament, and one of the few easier to keep schooling marine fish, I have 13, most people only keep 1-2 cardinals (of any type) I'm not sure why they look and act far better in schools. They are breeding at the moment to, the male carries the eggs round in his month, but difficult to raise.

Pete will charge about $1 per liter, he knows what size glasss etc to make it out of, he will also make a stand pretty cheaply as will. IMHO external canister filter is always the way to go, on just about anysize tank, unless you drill it build a sump and put in a trickle filter. Of course it depends a little on what you are planning to keep.

Bored so I pulled my crap old camera out, sorry about the pic quality. None have been touched just adjusted size using Irfanview

Whats going on?? Is there a reefers party going on that I didn't get invited to?? Maybe another powercut in Auckland?? Every one using the fine weather to get mega amounts of water?? No postings since 9 this morning. :evil: :evil:

THat just about covers it, you will also need something for the turtle to get out of the water onto, a rock or log. You can also add gravel but this tend to end up in a pile at one end. Extras you might want to think about are a good filter, this will lower the amount of water changes you have to do to keep the water looking nice, turtle are pretty messy. Turtles also need UV light for there shell to grow correctly, if you dont it will get white spots and go soft, so make sure you get the correct type of bulb for your light, or do what I used to do and set up a small padling pool outside so it can swim and sunbath for a few hours each week.

You could try keeping him in your sump or another tank for a while till he gets over the stress of shipping etc and builds up some strenth, he might do better with the other one then.

I guess there might be something in getting all the stress over at once! Would be depressing to just clear up the w/s and get it back again in a months time!

To sort out your temp problem I would suggest you buy a temp controller like the ones Jetskisteve sells. I could never get mine stable until I got one (and has the bonus of turning on fans or chiller during summer) now I have just two smallish heaters, I think they are 100w each but might be 150w heating 800L (the lights do most of the work). Plus because I'm not using the temp controller in the heater I have never needed to replace any heaters.

My advise.......Stress seems to be the main cause of w/s outbreaks, get your tank stable, add a cleaner shrimp if you don't have one. And leave the tang alone, unless it is so sick that you have to do something anything else will just cause more stress and make it worse. Others may have different advise, but I have never lost a fish to w/s and have some show up every time I do something major to the tank and stress my fish. It is aways gone with-in a week of the stress being removed.

This was the second post. In BB you keep talking about the food you put into the tank ending up in the water and feeding the corals. But as soon as you put it in, the skimmer starts taking it out, so in a short period of time, all that food you believe is still in the tank growing bacteria and feeding the corals has actually been skimmed out, or at least the level of it is steadily dropping. With a sand bed some of that food ends up being held in that tank, converted in the sand bed either directly into bacteria, or via critter pooh/deaths into bacteria. This is constantly being released back into the water column. This isn't hard to understand???????

Maybe because we have all tried to do this already, and you seem to be either ignoring, not reading or just not getting it. I have given up posting because it was just becoming pointless saying the same thing over and over.

No because you have to adjust the temp to be the same as your refference, even a couple of degrees seems to make a difference

Does the controllable one use the same controller as a normal stream?

Not that I have noticed, but thanks for the info, if I have any problems I'll know what to blame, Pies has a crap trap now to so hopfully wont be a problem to catch if I need to.

Do you use a gas heater? could be CO2 in th air. Or the water company might be adding CO2 to the water.

I think a lot of them eat snails to. I have a hairy crab about the size of a 50c, think he is hammering my snails, the are shells all over the tank.

Try putting a miror up against the glass, might take some of the heat off him

Isn't bleach the same thing? the cheap stuff from super markets is best because they dont add anything to it to make a smell better

It will be more interesting to see if the prices start to drop since there are actually going to be some choices now, seio (lol), streams, nanos, vortex. This also sort of indicates there is a market there as well so I wonder how long ot will be before we start to see cheap copies coming out of china

good on you wasp couldn't have said it better myself. I think you need to re-read or re-think what you are saying, as wasp says, sooner or later the everything ends up as bacteria, or is removed by the skimmer. It doesn't matter how many critters it passes through before it gets there, physic's 101, you can't distroy energy only change it. No one has said that extra food appears by magic, but you seem to believe that it hits the sand bed and disappears by magic. But you are also increasing the numbers of critters producing waste, either pooh or bodies. Again the energy isn't disappearing just going to different forms before ending up as bacteria. Not at all, you are again confusing your two different statements, 1) tanks with matched imports and exports and 2) tanks with the same food in the water column, these are two completely different statements and can't be interchanged to prove a point. This was in response to your "matched imports and exports" statement, it's a simple concept, and I can't think of any way to make it simpler. And I think we have moved past this now anyway. Rons statement only seems weird if you have problems accepting that sand beds will produce coral feeding bacteria. In refference to sand bed's he even states "Such a system will provide sufficient food to provide much of the food necessary for the proper and balanced nutrition of coral reef animals."

I have a few anemones I wouldn't mind if it affected. :lol: :lol:

Will be checking my tank for broth, first chance I get. Isn't this just what I suggested the sand bed does? collects nutrients and puts it into a nice concentrate , all ready to produce many times more bacteria, which then end up back in the water column

So which does it do? is it not a nutrient remover, or is taking a portion of the MOST useful stuff.... that would be nutrients? Why is bacteria from a sand bed lower in nutritional value and harder to digest? I think the point cracker was making in his post is that sooner or later everthing ends up getting eaten by bacteria, which the corals can then feed on, what happens to pod pooh? what happens when pods die? Why do the nutrients have to be eaten directly by bacteria to be any good to for the corals, bacteria eat the same basic stuff, it doesn't mater who poohed or died to produce it. Isn't that the whole point? Would anyone choose a BB over sand for any other reason? And I'll say it again, and try and make it simple, if you put something in, and something takes some of it out (like a sand bed) then you most end up with less coming out than you put in?? If you then take the sand bed out of the equation, so are no longer taking that extra bit out, them you must be getting more out at the end??????

Eric touches on this in his video on coral progation, according to him corals will use inorganic compounds but so do the zooxanthellae, because of the free food source their population increases causing the corals to go brown. For this reason he suggests low nutirant tanks and coral feeding. Not really any surprises there.

But that isn't what you said, you said "two identical tanks with matching imports and exports" not two tanks with the same amount of food in the water column. If the sand bed is as you say using food and not producing anything useful, then either imports have to higher or exports lower for the food in the water column to be the same. I'll admit my choice of word wasn't clear, maybe I should have used the word 'produce' instead of 'hold'. The point being there will be far more bacteria on a surface than floating in water, and a large % of the bacteria floating in the water would have infact come off the surfaces, not actually been produced in the water. Surfaces are a far better environment for bacteria to reproduce, this is why bio filters are filled with media and not just water :roll: