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I'm sorry your disappointed. I didn't pass it off as my tank in any way. I asked for comments on the picture, that's all. It's quite an interesting one. So what makes you think this tank runs a DSB? Layton

It belongs to a well known author and coral researcher, can't you tell just by looking at it? Layton

No. I never said it was my tank.

Nope not my tank at all. (I'd be worried about the algae and aiptasia personally) How did you tell it had a DSB? So what relation does a tank photo have to someone's knowledge? Layton

So the proof is in the pudding. Here is an oldish photo. What do you think it shows? What does it tell you about the knowledge of the keeper?

Who did I say was lying? Why do you have to make stuff up like that? It's getting quite annoying.

Nice gem tang. They usually run around US$1,500... when available.

Whatever method you go for, I would recommend cooking any live rock you get (Even dry base rock). Here is a link which explains it well: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showt ... genumber=1

Exactly. The bottom fish is altered poorly (no offence Ira ) and although the colour may be a better representation of the true colour, the photo looks over altered. Which is what i'm trying to say. Sometimes it's better to just under do it, and have the colour look more like it did out of the camera, than overdo the editing, and have it "look" highly altered, cause it can be distracting. Layton

... so then why do you say the sudden drop in nutrients can result in coral death? It's something your uncontrollably adding which kills corals, not something your removing. You have, you just don't want to believe it is possible.

Think about this. Do a 50% water change. See how many corals die from that. You've effectively HALVED your nutrients, faster than zeovit will ever remove nutrients. Now double, triple or even increase your iron input by 10 fold in a few weeks, see what effect adding that nutrients to your tank does to animals which are specialised in sequestering this element from water. Which makes more sense? Layton

I thought it was a contender for a tui add myself. I even through in the beer.

How did you work that out? Maybe it's that you are increasing a nutrient in your tank when you start zeovit? Just a thought. Layton

We're all friends here.

If they investigate the file metadata enough, almost certainly. Absolutely, that's the reason it is so common (yet people refuse to admit it), it's generally the aim of it, to more accurately reflect the image. It's not necessarily aimed to be misleading, as wasp seems to be fixated on. There is a picture in "Aquarium Corals" which suffers from this slightly excessive altering too from memory. See if you can spot it. Layton

I'm saying it's necessarily misleading or "saying you got something you don't", just overdone on a couple of images there. There are clues given away in recent versions of photoshop courtesy of cip4 organisation standards which have been pushed in the graphics prepress industry recently. In some products like Acrobat Pro, it's quite transparent. In Photoshop it is still quite "in the background". I'm not surprised at the colours, just the overly saturated images. There are even a one or two on some other nice tanks websites from memory.

You'd be surprised (or not) how few pictures are NOT altered. It's a very common practice which people never want to admit to. Mainly because people jump to conclusions and associate it with being misleading. It's usually not, but the stigma is still there. Layton

Well put wasp.

EXIF, and JDF tend to disagree with the not been altered claim. Most people who work in a graphics related industry could look at several of those pictures would tell you with high probability that they have been altered, before they even look at the metadata. Layton

I wasn't a fan of the BB "look" either, but after 9 months of it, it's almost grown on me.

What I would recommend is not blindly copying someone else, like some may suggest. If you use a DSB, you should know what it does. If you use a SSB, you should know what it does. If you go BB, you should know what it does. If in doubt ask, better to know now, than find out a few months down the track. Layton

My first question would be what type of animals do you want to keep? Layton

Neither do I. I was just saying that the heavy saturation and hue alterations are a bit distracting in some of the photos. (I don't think it is grossly misleading or anything though) Like I said, i've seen other pictures of his tank, and it is definitely very nice. Some people just get a bit defensive sometimes. Layton

Photoshop leaves all kinds of evidence in files, aside from the visually obvious saturation and hue alterations. It's a nice tank, no reason to alter the photos to that extreme though. Layton

It's just a shame those photos have been altered so much, though. I've seen other pictures of his tank, and it is very nice. Good to see someone who is willing to admit they had losses when starting zeovit. I think it is more common than others want to admit. Layton