man, its not even their whole inventory, its just new stuff they have in.

makes me wanna cry

http://www.arofanatics.com/forums/showthread.php?t=478871

Come now, let's weep together lol.

...or we could stage a protest at Aotea Square. Down with MAF! :digH:

we could

lets occupy .... that foot path area in front of maf office in the city.

have a tent say8ing

"We want rays" "we want armatus"

omg i would join, if we only got half of that list id be over the moon

Stuff the native species lol, we want imports! :nfs:

yeah, some people here would highly disagree lol

but i agree, i think some species have no chance of surviving our waters! i mean none.

you have to be selective in what to bring in of course.

really, really, reeeeally wish we could have rays. that BD ray looks simply magestic.

long shot, pondering, dreaming question... what would it take to change laws and allow fish such as rays to be imported/kept in nz? or would it just never happen?

negver say never, its not a piranha or anything.

but it would take someone to apply to erma, they would need research to say that it wouldnt establish here.

time , money.

the thing is, once the rays are in, they can easly be bred here.

its not hard to breed them, apparently they will just breed with relative ease. so for a importer to import them, is risk

they do it with rarer and nicer cichlids and breeders will breed them and thats it, they are dirt cheap.

thats what will happen here.

thats the problem.

we already have a bunch of coldwater fish imports that would breed sweeet if let into nz waterways, some already have (goldfish, koi, carp etc) and i'm pretty sure convict cichlids would find a way to adapt to our colder waters - i've kept them in unheated tanks over auckalnd winters and they have been sweet and even bred in those cold conditions! silly maf

yeah, its a fine balance i guess. there is no incentive for maf to allow it in, i mean they cant care less for hobbyist, fair enough too.

for us its annoying, but the govt does not care about hobbyist, why should they its not a priority so i understand

but it would be cool if they did:D

they dont care for the hobby.. exactly why they should ban goldfish, make them a pest like gambusia! but then i'd have nothing to feed my oscars... 8-)

i'm pretty sure convict cichlids would find a way to adapt to our colder waters - i've kept them in unheated tanks over auckalnd winters and they have been sweet and even bred in those cold conditions! silly maf

Convict cichlids: the gremlins of the aquatic world.

Rays won't come in because their tails contain a toxin. MAF is anal about that stuff.

Convict Cichlids etc,,, Were here before the stricter guidelines were introduced ,

Rays won't come in because their tails contain a toxin. MAF is anal about that stuff.

yeah, fair call.

still sucks though:D

Well.. If one or two kind people are willing to (possibly) go to jail to bring in a mating pair of rays, the rest of us would benefit. Any volunteers? Take one for the team? For the greater good? :spop:

Well.. If one or two kind people are willing to (possibly) go to jail to bring in a mating pair of rays, the rest of us would benefit. Any volunteers? Take one for the team? For the greater good? :spop:

So go to jail, or move to somewhere where you can legally keep rays?

breaking the law for the greater good aye.. now where have i heard that story before.... 8)

haha

yeha, would not do that.

cannot put my collection in jeopardy for one fish.

breaking the law for the greater good aye.. now where have i heard that story before.... 8)

Robin Hood!

Attention Rays lover" i got a solution how to get them.. :thup:

Attention Rays lover" i got a solution how to get them.. :thup:

Me too, ask god for a miracle:D

@jaxx - still got my number? we should have a chat.. about the price of milk...

Henward... If these guys are using your thread to facilitate the illegal import of rays, MAF will hunt you down lol.

Henward... If these guys are using your thread to facilitate the illegal import of rays, MAF will hunt you down lol.

don't say that, you'll give the poor fulla a stomach ulcer!

besides.. who said we were going to do it illegally?