Faran Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 I received a plant today that was sold to me as Tennelus but looks... well, see for yourself. The three small plants in the foreground of this picture closest to the front. Look like small sticks with a runner in between. I suppose I should let it grow out or a few weeks and see what it turns out like, but it's all soo confusing on what is tennelus and what isn't! P.S. - the plants in the background and all around are dwarf sag as far as I know. Correct me if I'm wrong, please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 21, 2006 Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 2 pence---dwarf sag (Sagittaria microfolia) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faran Posted March 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted March 21, 2006 Which ones, Alan. Front ones or back ones? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 All the same? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 They look different to me. Try looking for them on Curt's site www.plantgeek.net and see what you think. I looked myself but was still confused :roll: I have this one which, to me, looks like your back ones blue. I was told, by the owner, it was mini vallis but have always assumed it was mini sag, Sagittaria subulata aka dwarf. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Sagittaria are funny plants. A way to identify them is to grow them emersed where they will develop the characteristic spade end to the leaf. S. subulata may be called dwarf but it can grow to 500mm. I have a small one like that called S. microfolia which tends to stay small and often they look almost the same. People often think if it is small and puts out runners it is E. tennellus but it can grow to 100mm and is similar to E. magdelanensis but usually darker green and narrower leaves. The plantlets are usually small but if left to mature will grow larger where as magdalenensis plantlets usually have longer leaves. Sagittaria usually has very clear cell structure in the leaf, more obvious than Vallisneria or Echinodorus. Thats my tuppence Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jude Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Somebody sent me some tenellus once and I think he knew his plants. It had a very very fine leaf but unfortunately it all died out - not enough light I think. Cheers Jude Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feelers Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Is there something special about this tenellus stuff? It seems to me if you can't tell the difference between that and some of the photos - for all visual purposes it's the same thing. :lol: Is it unique in some way? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
edmondsng Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Blueandkim, They look like Tenellus to me. By the way, where did you get them from?? Many thanks Ed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIAN Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 Hi all The plant in question came from me. I have had the parent plant about 15 odd years. It was possibly aquired from "A mates" tank on oc "COOKS TOUR" around the country. At the time it was aquired as Echinodorus tennellus var. latifolius, this was ascertained when I read up some of my plant books. My main reference then,as now is Encyclopedia of Water Plants by Dr. Jiri Stodola. Published in 1967. Back then the list of plants available wasnt what it is now so if you saw a plant you didnt have you tried anyway possible to get your hands on it. Also since then I think everything (Including man) has been reclassified and renamed by some "DEGREE HOLDING IMBECILE" :evil: who wouldnt have a clue of life in the real world, or even what way is up; but just hide behind their degree. My point is this:....I got it and understand it to be E. tenellus var. latifolius as attested by (MARTIUS) BUCHENAU and (SEUB) FASS to quote the book. IT MAY WELL HAVE BEEN RECLASSIFIED, I aint privvy to that information but I will stand corrected and learn if I am wrong. Good luck all in getting some opinions: Maybe it could turn out to be a submerged form of "MARAHOOCHI" :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiverJohn Posted March 22, 2006 Report Share Posted March 22, 2006 HI BK, When i first saw the pic i thought to myself.."thats the same as mine". It was a while ago but i think it was sold to me from the LFS as "mini sag" - but might have been "dwarf sag" What ever it is BK mine seems to like having the substate gentle 'tilled' every now and then, I think it helps the roots spread out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Amazonian, I have the same book and can see what you mean, but have a look on the tropica site and see what you think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIAN Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Hi Alan Thanks for that. I had a look at the "TROPICA" site and yes, I dont know and now would not swear to anything in a "Court of Law" :oops: All I know is that when I got it that was what it was, and it is a good looking little plant. Tropica, wasnt around then. With all the reclassification that's going on it could well be a Valis or a sagg. or MARAHOOCHI.. :roll: Maybe someone will get a plant specialist to dissect the plant and count the veins etc.. I give up. I'll just keep it as E. tenellus until I am told otherwise. You pays your money .... You takes your chances. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 If someone was of a mind they could grow it emersed,and hopefully to flower then we all might find out. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AMAZONIAN Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 Hi Alan At this point in the proceedings with all that is being said then I will take a plantlet off the runner and go for broke by growing it emersed, terrarium style to start with. I'll keep you all posted, because it only the flower thaty should tell us forcertain what it is. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted March 23, 2006 Report Share Posted March 23, 2006 The emersed leaf is different also so good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Faran Posted April 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted April 8, 2006 Acquired some Tennelus today finally after a long search. The person I got it from could only spare a few plants but was a real sport about parting with what he could. My plan will be to grow it out for interested FNZAS members first before offering it to the general public. Already 4 people on the waiting list so if anyone else out there has some extra Tennelus - share it! Here's a pic of what I got. Will take some pics of it planted in the grow-out tank once it's settled a bit. FYI - I paid $10 per plant. A high price, but this stuff is hard to get these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted April 13, 2006 Report Share Posted April 13, 2006 Looks like the right thing to me. I have two struggling plants which are starting to pick up. Good luck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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