Fay Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 What about this then: http://www.reefcentral.com/forums/showt ... t=bacteria Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 what about it? i would say they didnt go about changing to Barebottom the right way, the nutrients are all still there but instead of the sandbed being there to buffer it over the tank will suffer, the same think happened when i moved to my new tank but has now stopped as my rocks have efectively cooked in tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted December 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 I think the sand was the problem with my change over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Well found Fay! ( You stirrer you! ) I'm a BB fan. But then, what about that beautiful DSB TOTM this month? Seems some people can do it, although I'm not clever enough to be one of them. It's about husbandry and skill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Just goes to show what the sand did to the rocks! It's part of the idea behind BB. It doesn't hide anything from you. Would those same nutrients be there if there was sand in the tank? Yes. However they would be stored in the sand until such time as the sand bed was full, and the oxygen gradient crept closer to the surface, and started to leak nutrients. With BB you know those nutrients are not being exported immediately, and you choose whether you want to do anything about it or not. The BB Method is more than just removing sand from a tank. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted December 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Wasp have you heard of Chaetomopha algae and can you get it NZ, I have just found something interesting on it on RC Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 totally agree wasp, some people do it well while others struggle. personally im not really fussed as to wether or not i have sand but i will end up with which ever works out best for the corals and also my fish. i dont trust myself currently with a sand bed. that might change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 If you know how sediments work, (which you should because there is a significant amount of information about it). Then it should come as no surprise why there are some nice DSB tanks, with very colourful corals. But it will also not come as a surprise how many people run into "old tank syndrome" or go through numerous bouts of algae, and have problems with stn. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 cheato isnt available in NZ as far as i know, if you do track some down let me know cause it would be great in a nano refuge. but in a low neutrient tank there shouldnt be enough food for it to grow well Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 My thoughts too. If you're trying to run a tank low nutrients, adding and algae which requires high nutrients to grow effectively is not going to achieve much nutrient removal. Also algae often add other organic molecules to the water which you need to remove somehow. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 but in a low neutrient tank there shouldnt be enough food for it to grow well you can add ammonia to your tank to help it grow, i add it weekly and my algae grows out of control. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Wasp have you heard of Chaetomopha algae and can you get it NZ, Sadly, Brian is correct here, I trolled the country trying to find some but it does not seem to exist here. Actually, there is a wild chaetomorpha, but not the one used in refugiums. According to the literature it is the algae refugium keepers dream. Fast growth, doesn't release toxins like caulerpa, and doesn't go sexual. Tons of positive comments on RC from people who have switched to it. I've never had any joy with caulerpa myself, it has ALWAYS gone sexual within days to a couple of weeks of me introducing it. If I'd been able to get chaetomorpha, I may have never bothered to go zeovit. Having said that though, I'm now glad I did go zeovit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted December 11, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 Bumma Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ghostface Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 caulerpa going sexual? explain? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted December 11, 2005 Report Share Posted December 11, 2005 well ghostface, when two caleurpa's really love each other they get married and havea special cuddle which makes baby caleurpa's. its alot like any plant really, they mature and bloom which fouls up the water. ie not good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted December 12, 2005 Report Share Posted December 12, 2005 Ha Ha! Ghostface what happens is that all on the same day, all the caulerpas release spores. They put so much energy into this that a large portion of the plant is used to create spores, and what's left of the plant dies. The tank water goes murky green and smells nasty. The skimmer goes into overdrive and froths water all over the place. Normally, some massive water changes, plus carbon, are required to ease the stress on other tank inhabitants. To minimise the damage this can do, some refugium keepers have several different types of caulerpa, so they won't all go sexual at the same time. But then they fight each other with toxins. It is theorised these toxins can be damaging to corals, etc. although there is little real evidence for major harm being done by this, in an aquarium situation. So - according to Freud, sex is the root cause of many of the worlds evils. Little did he know how much this can also be true in the algae keepers refugium :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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