Pies Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 Chimera - My experance with Zeovit is that as the nutrients reduce (or iron is added depending on who you talk too), the coral finds its colour. The colour on the tips your talking off probably has little to do with Zeovit and more than fact that new growth hasn't had time to be populated with xzoo yet. Pics! Pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 colour is heading back down to the base of the coral, not just colouration in new growth areas. must get some pics up!!! not massive colouration yet, but at least I can see it progressing... pics this weekend... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted November 10, 2005 Report Share Posted November 10, 2005 And here I am all pleased that one of my livestock is turning brown. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Posted November 23, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 23, 2005 Wasp I'm sending another water sample today can you please test it and let me know. Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 Hi Duke, tested the latest water sample it came out at 0.03. That's a real low number, a big improvement on last time! A properly running zeovit tank should ideally be running between 0.02, and 0.05, so you're right on target. Hows the tank looking? At this level of phosphate the hair algae should be beginning to decline, and the front glass should not need cleaning very often, if at all. So all that stuff you are doing is paying off. A word of caution, now nutrients are low, your sps can TN if calcium and alkalinity are very far away from natural seawater levels. You should endevour to keep alkalinity at dkh 7 to 8, ( DKH, not Mg/L ) and calcium 420 to 440, the same as found in the waters of a coral reef. You could also if you wish, now look at feeding the sps with Pohls CV, and you should also be seeing the sps becoming more colourful. Hope all that's happening, but if not, just stay the course and keep nutrients down. Watch the sps carefully for any sign of TN, and if there is any, stop all dosing of zeo products for 3 days and then re assess. Need any more of that fish food? if so I'll send some more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Posted December 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 My tank is looking good and the hair algae has stopped growing and is easy to remove now. I checked my calcum level and it was 500+ with my test kit, 60 was my Kh and ph is 8.1-8.3. Waht is the defferance between Kh mg/l which my kit tests? What is TN? My sps are starting to show green colours which is a first. Your food is great still got heaps left thanks. Never feed my fish so little but they look ok. Blue tang is not skinny so I'm feeding the right amount, goes to show what over feeding can do. Also got my skimmer working properly, sucked hot water through the air suction pipe and what a differance. I have a deltec 1250 skimmer. Have been doing weekly water changes and adding no additives. Thanks for the help I very pleased. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 check your results! 500+ calcium and 60 KH is not possible (well not in your tank, but it comes out from your CR in drips at that rate). so check again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Posted December 3, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 KH 6 calcum still over 500 does that sound better Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted December 3, 2005 Report Share Posted December 3, 2005 much better. do you use a CR? if not leave it alone for a while and your calcium will drop to normal levels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 That all sounds good Duke, green is sometimes the first colour and other colours come later. The difference between kh and Mg/L is just 2 different ways to measure alkalinity, like temperature can be measured in celsius or farenheight. Good the hair algae is starting to receed. Even though you have nutrients very low in the water, the hair can continue to draw on stored nutrients in the rock. So can take a while to eradicate all the hair but as long as you keep the water at low nutrient levels, the rock will gradually leach clean and hair algae will die. Many zeovit users find this process can take a few months. TN is Tissue Necrosis. It happens to sps corals if the flesh comes off and you can see the exposed skeleton. It is mostly caused by something wrong in the water. If calcium and alkalinity are out of whack with each other, TN can start around the bottom of the coral, and slowly work it’s way up, eventually killing the coral. In high nutrient tanks sometimes we can get away with ca and alk being wrong, but in a low nutrient tank like yours now is, ca and alk should be kept at NSW levels. So at present, your ca is too high, and alk is too low. What Cookie Extreme said is correct, if you are using a ca reactor. However IMO you should really get these levels sorted. The calcium is able to get up to 500 because the alkalinity is too low. Easy way to sort this is to dissolve a teaspoon of baking soda (not baking powder) in water and add to the tank each day. This will raise alkalinity. As alkalinity gets higher, it will start taking out the calcium to a lower level. Just test your kh until it gets a bit over 7, then test the ca and see where it is. If it is still at 500, raise kh to about 8 and keep it there, ca will slowly come down over time, til you reach the desired level of ca 420 – 440, and kh 7 – 8. Don’t take kh over 8. ( in a low nutrient tank ). The relationship between calcium and alkalinity is quite important. Here is an excellent article that should be compulsory reading for all reefers http://www.advancedaquarist.com/issues/nov2002/chem.htm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 That's one of Randy's best articles I think. Definitely required reading. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Thanks for the positive input Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 5, 2005 Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Thanks for the positive input Layton I try to give people info which is accurate. Sometimes it's what they want to hear. Other times, they don't what to hear it. It's noting to do with being positive or negative. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Posted December 5, 2005 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2005 Great I'll add the baking soda each day and monitor results and let you know. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted December 19, 2005 Report Share Posted December 19, 2005 i guess the below article sums it up in a nice way how people see the zeovit system. Mesocosm...... Wonderful lecture of sorts In all honesty I think that people just do not want to believe that someting so beautiful (a zeo reef) is obtainable without a lot of heart ache and failure. People being complicated beings tend to over complicate what is obvious through simple observation...........This Zeovit system is worth while and it works!! I agree that most of the critics are closed minded highly educated people and I will go further and say that these people have a need to be publicly right all the time. If they for a moment entertain the remote possibility that this system will work then they lose face as "experts". That is something else that I have noted in pandemeic proprtion in the reef communities on line! The sudden emergence of self and public appointed reef experts. Shockingly some of the tank of these experts do not lend themselves to something possesed by an expert I think that certain environments where hostility is the norm and not the exception are perfect "soil" for these "fields of discontent" to flourish. I for one would much rather be with a group of reefers than to waste time with one expert. I thank all who have pioneered the use of Zeo, written the general guidlines, are availble as humble members of this wonderful community, and who are dedicated to moving the hobby in a positive direction __________________ anacroporamademepoora Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 yeah... with rose tinted glasses... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted December 20, 2005 Report Share Posted December 20, 2005 II try to give people info which is accurate. Sometimes it's what they want to hear. Other times, they don't what to hear it. It's noting to do with being positive or negative. Followed by: yeah... with rose tinted glasses... Hahahahahaha Other than the obvious hipicritical nature of these statements the only part that appears to be 'accurate' is the part that goes "they don't want to hear it". Which is true, we don't want to hear it. Layton - Why do you bother posting on this forum if all you want to do is pick fights with people and continue to fuel arguements? Rose Tinted Pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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