cracker Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 It must be toxins...Its the only thing. Water change is probably the only answer. They are quite hardy, so if the toxins are removed they may come right. I had a small brown xenia get stung by a torch. It melted. I chopped it off arogantly with a blunt knife and ended up smashing and squashing it. I then dropped it and the current took it out the back somewhere! 5 weeks later I saw it on the beach and it had stuck to a little rock looking listless and completely dead. I chucked it in a little hole and thought Id keep an eye on it. And now......... BEAUTIFUL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted April 15, 2005 Report Share Posted April 15, 2005 I assume you've tried adding carbon too, Pies? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Ira Has a good point, if you aren't using carbon try a small amount. If it is toxin related it could help. If you are and it's not fresh change it. You really need to be able to isolate the cause by using one method at a time, the problem with that, is you may loose it if the solution isn't found quickly enough. Its frustrating when you fix something, but don't really no what you did to fix it. Aaron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted April 16, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 I always run carbon. I use 1/2 litre changed every 3-4 weeks. Its the same carbon i've been using for over 15 months on the same rotation and I still have over half a sack left. I did a 320 litre water change today so will see if that helps at all. Nothing is stinging the corals, its widespread accross the tank effect any and all xenia and like corals, regardless of position either in sump or display. I have given a piece to Suphew to see if it recovers in his tank (which is how I got this originally - I purchased it from Reef, went great for agaes then started to do this (15 months ago), gave what survived to JetSkiSteve who kept it for me and gave it back in great condition. It was small when I got it, but grew into over 10x its delivered size before crashing Pies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dogmatix Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 carefull, could spread, its alk and pH in my exp but pie's prob really seems like something else. Have you tried using reef dip ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 what if it is just a natural cycle? old age with no survival mode kicking in, no heavy fragging or similar. could be just old age! it may needs to crash to produce new growth?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted April 16, 2005 Report Share Posted April 16, 2005 Got a pic Pie? Or have you removed it? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suphew Posted April 17, 2005 Report Share Posted April 17, 2005 The piece I put into my tank is recovering nicely, standing back up and pumping again. Pie and I normally collect water together and have both done biggish changes for the last two weekends. So this rules out infection and water source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted April 22, 2005 Report Share Posted April 22, 2005 How's it going Pies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suphew Posted April 25, 2005 Report Share Posted April 25, 2005 The piece from Pies tank did perk up for a couple of days then, over a day went limp again, next morning there was no trace of it. The bad news is this morning I noticed my two largest pulsing Zenia look like they have the same thing. Shame really cause the bigger one had just started to branch and was looking nice. I can't remove the rock they are on cause its the base of a stack, unless anyone has any better ideas I think I will leave them for a couple of days to see what happens then if they dont look like they are improving give them the chop and remove them. With my smaller water volume (~400l)I dont really want them breaking down in the tank. Damn, if they die I'll have an empty spot that will need to be filled with a new coral Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 for those that have had this happen was there a noticable difference in the polyps before the demise?? my polyps are looking very limp and not feathery at all (on my brown xenia) my white xenia is fine and going strong Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 they do that every now and then. mine do it every month or so but come back a few days later. must be something in the water they dont like. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted June 7, 2005 Author Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Mind littery went 'limp', still pulsed, slowly but lost all 'inflation'. Over a few days rotted and died. FYI not a hint of xenia in my tank, its all gone without a trace Pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 sometimes I wish mine would! Damn weed Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 :lol: well next time you're up here Im sure either steve or myself will part with some stalks free to 'kick start' your xenia population again Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 cut it, propagate it make it go into survival overdrive!! read anthony calfo's article on xenia regarding lifespan, sexual maturity and growth. i cut mine now almost every week and the growth rate is exceptional. but hey if your's die i can always sell you some of mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RnB Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 cookie - u have a link to that article? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 sorry only the book. which i rate very highly. not many pictures but otherwise great information. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suphew Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 Cut much do you cut off? I have a large one (and a number of small) about 6 inches or more when fully out but would like to get it to branch I guess it will do it by itself sooner or later but if I can hurry it up.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted June 7, 2005 Report Share Posted June 7, 2005 i used to just cut the stem in half leaving the head with polyps unattached. it would settle soon and attach itself. nowadays i place a rock on top of the colony and wait 3-4 days before slicing it up, either stem only or whatever tickles my fancy. doesn't really make to much of a difference. new polyps will pop up after around 10 days and the new colony will grow rather fast after that. the new polyps will become visible as little jelly bubbles first. so don't panic not all xenia will branch, the white pompom doesn't seem to where jetskisteve's brown one does. if you have couple brown ones just slice the top of one in half (about 1/3 down the stem) this should create branching unless the xenia grows back together. happy slicing. i use a very sharp kitchen knife for it or a new razor blade. don't like to use siccors as they more often then not squeeze more then they cut. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 I hope they don't have feelings as I cut/rip mine :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 http://www.garf.org/MPegs/XeniaPropagation.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted June 8, 2005 Report Share Posted June 8, 2005 thats how i used to do it too. was to much mucking around. its a lot easier to chuck a rock on top, let the xenia grow onto it while uninjured and then cut it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 Now mine have crashed too.....chopped the brown up the other day, so see what happens. white ones completely gone! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted July 16, 2005 Report Share Posted July 16, 2005 wish mine would Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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