aotealotl Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 A couple of question to the frog specialists on the forum. The more my little morphing frogs develop the more I get the impression they are Southern Bell Frogs / Growling Grass Frogs rather than Green and Golden Bell Frogs. compared with pictures online via google they look more like Litoria raniformis the further they develop. the warty back and the darker belly on the side below the white side line is more typical with Southern Bell Frogs, right ? What is your verdict looking at these pictures ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Liotria raniformis, the southern bell frog. Be surprised if the golden bell frog, l. aurea, exists in the wild down there as seem more tropical of the two bell frog species here. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aotealotl Posted January 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 Liotria raniformis, the southern bell frog. Be surprised if the golden bell frog, l. aurea, exists in the wild down there as seem more tropical of the two bell frog species here. sorry that I didn't mention it but they are from the north island, they are not from down here. down here I only hear and find the little brown ones. but they are from the southern part of the north island so they have to be raniformis and not Litoria aurea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 L. raniformis Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 sorry that I didn't mention it but they are from the north island, they are not from down here. down here I only hear and find the little brown ones. but they are from the southern part of the north island so they have to be raniformis and not Litoria aurea. wondered that. still raniformis though haha. warty skin be the give away. then green stripe down back -not present in your pics but you will see it sooner or later - however have some here that look more aurea and still have the stripe. and think goldens have more markings on them, no just green, my hill billy ones do anyway. raniformis probably vary too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aotealotl Posted January 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 then green stripe down back -not present in your pics but you will see it sooner or later not on the pictures but I have some which already have a green stripe however have some here that look more aurea and still have the stripe. and think goldens have more markings on them, no just green, my hill billy ones do anyway. raniformis probably vary too. could it be that in the wild the aurea and raniformis did x breed ? (and as a result some generations later they started to become those 'ugly' yellow ones ?) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 could it be that in the wild the aurea and raniformis did x breed ? (and as a result some generations later they started to become those 'ugly' yellow ones ?) that is one theory. is hints of raniformis in mine. could be equally from the 'normals' I bred to the original albino/s as the 'normals' I acquired had hints of rani but were much more aurea looking. as for original albinos I am not sure if they had any signs of hybridism. mine didn't but only ever had three original + one wild caught. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 The side stripe and the warty back is a bit of a give away. They are more suitable to where you are temperature wise. Not too sure how far north they go--I thought about middle of the north island. I don't know how much location is mixed but I think one pretty well cuts out where the other starts. The whistlers can live in an iceblock I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aotealotl Posted January 27, 2014 Author Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 The whistlers can live in an iceblock I think. down here definitely yes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted January 27, 2014 Report Share Posted January 27, 2014 The whistlers can live in an iceblock I think. yes frozen solid and all good the next day sometimes croak when it is a frost amazing little frogs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sneaky2 Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 L. raniformis! have found big populations 1.5 hours north of auckland.20 years ago.found l.r at western springs auckland 10 years ago aaaaand found l.r at domain alongside l.a 30 or so years ago. :dunno: who wrote the book that said only mid north island and down?the tadpoles get masive before morphing. i assume they are still there? cant know.lifes busy..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted January 30, 2014 Report Share Posted January 30, 2014 l. aurea not suppose to survive down this vway so I read but they do fine here. left some outdoors a couple of years back and they thrived some one send me a rani male ill try a hybrid pairing. some ppl dispute its possible but I have a feeling ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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