WillskE Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 the plants were great for when the first few months i got them and its now they turned into this..its like this a month or so now thought they would recover by them selves but guess now Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myfishybuisness Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 looks like they need some ferts,maybe more light and you could add some diy co2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-obstacle Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 Yeah, ferts and co2 will save those. They're not dead, just unhealthy. It'll take about 3 weeks of ferts and co2 before they look like they're coming around again and in a month or so they'll be sweet. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Posted October 12, 2011 Report Share Posted October 12, 2011 I would get some JBL fertilizer balls/sticks or something similar. Give us some details about your set up? Do you use Co2? how many Watts per gallon ect and we might be able to help some more Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillskE Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 ive got 4 tubes of 54w T5 10000k lights, but i only have 2 on for 5-6hours a day cause there's a constant growth of green spots on my glass that i need to scrape off every 2days... ive got 2 bottles of diy co2 running as well as dosing with PMDD twice to four times a week, i used to add flourish comprehensive, iron and phosphorus but ran out so i kind of stopped ive got JBL balls all around the tank, perhaps i should add a few right under those plants?, but if see on a leave on the back ground the amazon sword plant its got holes like its being eaten..ive already taken out the plecos yet its still continuing to have holes... i remember once when this tank was lush and colorful a while ago...now it just looks like its dying and filled with death with the fish sudden death toll gone to 11 in 3 days.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillskE Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 ive got 4 tubes of 54w T5 10000k lights, but i only have 2 on for 5-6hours a day cause there's a constant growth of green spots on my glass that i need to scrape off every 2days... ive got 2 bottles of diy co2 running as well as dosing with PMDD twice to four times a week, i used to add flourish comprehensive, iron and phosphorus but ran out so i kind of stopped ive got JBL balls all around the tank, perhaps i should add a few right under those plants?, but if see on a leave on the back ground the amazon sword plant its got holes like its being eaten..ive already taken out the plecos yet its still continuing to have holes... i remember once when this tank was lush and colorful a while ago...now it just looks like its dying and filled with death with the fish sudden death toll gone to 11 in 3 days.. correction 12...in 3days Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Okay, to me it sounds like the tank has been thrown out of sync and you have more problems than just sick plants. What Liter is the tank? Do you have a co2 drop checker? or Can you test the PH and KH? If you can't test your water quality I would take a bottle of your tank water to your local Animates and get them to run a full test. You will need to test for ammonia and nitrates as well to be safe. How often do you water change? How much PMDD are you adding? I would get your fish to a hospital tank/spare tank if you can, this can cause more bio load issues for you tank but at least you will save your fish. The algae issue is just a balance issue, You can fix it by making minor adjustments to your co2, light and nutrient dosing. It does take a while to get it right though so patience is the key here. By turning the lights down you may have stopped the plants from utilizing the fish waste and nutrients in the water column so as well as not getting enough light the plants can't get the nutrients they need. 5-6 hours a day is half of what the plants need. In other words, the JBL balls you have are doing nothing right now. I suspect the fish might be dying of lack of oxygen, what is their behaviour like? ( The live ones I mean ). Personally I would do a water change, 40% ish, turn your lights on for 10-12 hours a day and add your dosing drops as you were. Deal with the algae for now that is minor in comparison to dying plants and fish. ( I add my PMDD daily because I feel that keeps the nutrients constantly available ) What ever you do just try to keep it regular, making drastic changes will have big consequences. Also I would cut of most of the dying leaves the will be hurting the plants as it will be trying to revive a dead cell. If you leave your fish in the tank then do a gravel vac and another 20% water change in a week. Try to answer those questions above as there might be some thing easier or more sinister at hand. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillskE Posted October 13, 2011 Author Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Okay, to me it sounds like the tank has been thrown out of sync and you have more problems than just sick plants. What Liter is the tank? Do you have a co2 drop checker? or Can you test the PH and KH? If you can't test your water quality I would take a bottle of your tank water to your local Animates and get them to run a full test. You will need to test for ammonia and nitrates as well to be safe. How often do you water change? How much PMDD are you adding? I would get your fish to a hospital tank/spare tank if you can, this can cause more bio load issues for you tank but at least you will save your fish. The algae issue is just a balance issue, You can fix it by making minor adjustments to your co2, light and nutrient dosing. It does take a while to get it right though so patience is the key here. By turning the lights down you may have stopped the plants from utilizing the fish waste and nutrients in the water column so as well as not getting enough light the plants can't get the nutrients they need. 5-6 hours a day is half of what the plants need. In other words, the JBL balls you have are doing nothing right now. I suspect the fish might be dying of lack of oxygen, what is their behaviour like? ( The live ones I mean ). Personally I would do a water change, 40% ish, turn your lights on for 10-12 hours a day and add your dosing drops as you were. Deal with the algae for now that is minor in comparison to dying plants and fish. ( I add my PMDD daily because I feel that keeps the nutrients constantly available ) What ever you do just try to keep it regular, making drastic changes will have big consequences. Also I would cut of most of the dying leaves the will be hurting the plants as it will be trying to revive a dead cell. If you leave your fish in the tank then do a gravel vac and another 20% water change in a week. Try to answer those questions above as there might be some thing easier or more sinister at hand. The tank is 200 liter i dont have a co2 drop checker, at first i thought it was the co2 but from two days ago i been taking out the co2 as the lights go out but fish were still going fine, ive got a air pump also running 24/7 the only abnormal thing i notice was i added two new mollies in 3days ago they are just extremely nervous always hiding behind things or under things when i come near even with the 1 female that was a total show off have gone hiding with them also. the Ph is a stable 6.6 or 6.8 for a long while, it was on 6 before i buffered it up about 3months ago, i do about 20-25% water change every week and sometimes wash the filter, i have a fluval u4 in there i changed the old filters out one by one over a few weeks as it was filled with muddly like stuff, even with new filter wool its still getting alot of those. i add about 5-10mls of PMDD cause im not sure how much i was suppose to add....yesterday when i check nitrite is at 0 and the nitrate is at 5ppm the kh i think its 50-100ppm, i think i will try increase the light hours and cut off most of the dying leaves and see..i cant really move all the rest of the fish as i only have a tiny 50liter spare so i wil try quickly set it up and see.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 It's a nutrient deficiency. Add some JBL balls and the plants should come right. Longer term add flourish comprehensive to the water as well and supplement with CO2 to match the intensity of the lights. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bishop Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 It's a nutrient deficiency. Add some JBL balls and the plants should come right. Longer term add flourish comprehensive to the water as well and supplement with CO2 to match the intensity of the lights. So he should he keep the lights at 2 bulbs 4-5 hours and add more JBL balls ? The tank is 200 liter i dont have a co2 drop checker, at first i thought it was the co2 but from two days ago i been taking out the co2 as the lights go out but fish were still going fine, ive got a air pump also running 24/7 the only abnormal thing i notice was i added two new mollies in 3days ago they are just extremely nervous always hiding behind things or under things when i come near even with the 1 female that was a total show off have gone hiding with them also. the Ph is a stable 6.6 or 6.8 for a long while, it was on 6 before i buffered it up about 3months ago, i do about 20-25% water change every week and sometimes wash the filter, i have a fluval u4 in there i changed the old filters out one by one over a few weeks as it was filled with muddly like stuff, even with new filter wool its still getting alot of those. i add about 5-10mls of PMDD cause im not sure how much i was suppose to add....yesterday when i check nitrite is at 0 and the nitrate is at 5ppm the kh i think its 50-100ppm, i think i will try increase the light hours and cut off most of the dying leaves and see..i cant really move all the rest of the fish as i only have a tiny 50liter spare so i wil try quickly set it up and see.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted October 13, 2011 Report Share Posted October 13, 2011 Increase the photoperiod slowly. That light green leaf on S. microfolia is normal. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Recommended Posts
Join the conversation
You can post now and register later. If you have an account, sign in now to post with your account.