henward Posted July 2, 2010 Report Share Posted July 2, 2010 isolated a discus, eats still, and was eating heaps! but slowly but surely i notcied it was getting skinnier. its the only one wti the issues. fins dont flare up to display as much, its kinda just floating around swimming slowly. not as active. i believei t may be an internal parasite. what should i treat it with? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myfishybuisness Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 furan 2 or go to hollywood and ask for a med that people use to worm discus with thats what i do and they usally come normal again after a week Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 Furan2 when you suspect an internal parasite? Probably not a good idea.. You need to go down the metro/prazi/levamisole route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 tahnks just got prazidinazole (spelling to be corrected) lol 5ml per 80L of water. is this right? Can i use Melafix in conjunction to reduce stress and just a safety margin. also do i need to put salt, or should i put some salt? any more details? says that dose it once only should be ok in 1 week. or dose it, then 3 days, 25% water change and redose. my hospital is 200 litres. so thats 12.5ml to the tank. put a lil more? 25% after 3 days and FULL dose again? or just partial dose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 if you're sure its internal parasites, then what you're doing is fine. if it isn't internal parasites - Treat with Furan2 in a separate tank (small tank), temp at 32 with 50% water changes daily, replacing the amount of furan needed everyday. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 there are no visible problems wtih it. no blemishes, fungus, no wounds. its getting skinnier despite eating mega loads! like the belly gets fat, then thins quickly. i believe its worms. am i wrong? let me know before 530 lol so i can exchange medicine:D it seems to not get the nutrients its supposed to be getting with all the food it gets Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 also does the prazi harm bio filter? though hospital tank has very basic filtration anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikBok Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 most of the worm treatments seem ok for the bio filter. I've used prazi and aviverm and not had any problems. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 Prazi and aviverm wont harm your filter, metro might be it is supposed to be for anaerobic bacteria (ie that that doesn't live in an oxygenated area) so at a guess even that should be fine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted July 3, 2010 Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 Aviverm is a 24% solution of Levamisole hydrochloride. In practical terms the manufacturer says that it contains 200 - 300 grams per litre of levamisole (have a look here if you want to see for yourself: http://www.ermanz.govt.nz/hs/transfer/vetmeds-list.html) When I work this out, I get 200-300mg per millilitre of Aviverm solution. At a dose of 2mg per litre of tank water (the most common accepted dose) this is 1ml per 100L of tank water (rounding up, in other words assuming the medication is a minimum of 200mg/ml, so the maximum dose would be 2.5mg/L). That is about 0.1ml per 10 litres of tank water so for an 80 litre tank, you would add 0.8mls of Aviverm. The dose you were using would have probably been safe but it is more than 5 times the recommended dose. The problem with giving such a high dose is that if you ever developed a resistance, you might need to double or triple the dose to effectively minimise the worm burden and if the dose is already high, you would have a narrower margin of safety. If I were you, I would treat with praziquantel and levamisole at the same time and if you don't see any improvement in two weeks, do a repeat dose. If still no improvement in two weeks from then, I would consider treating for protozoa (usually with metronidazole which requires a veterinary consult). Prazi and levam will not harm your filter and metro will only kill some anaerobic populations. If you want to protect your biological anaerobic filtration from antimicrobials, take the fish out and treat in a hospital tank for three days during the treatment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 3, 2010 ok so i have avi verm i put 2 mls in 200 litres and prazi i put as prescribed by lfs. 5ml per 80litres of water. so 12.5ml for 200litres of water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
myfishybuisness Posted July 5, 2010 Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 so one told me to double the dose of prazi they told me its more affective and wont harm the fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 5, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 5, 2010 yeah, as previous post, apparently that can strengthen the worms if some survive. the fish is looking better. fins are starting to comeout. more active and colours are coming back ... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 the discus is not using both gills. sunday night was when i treated. how long do i wait to re intro? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Repeat now, this time using double the dose. You should see improvement between 6 and 12 hours. If no improvement, you might want to seek a veterinary consult to get some metronidazole. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 oh sorry my bad, typo the discus is NOW using both gills lol both gills using fine and well, discus is also chasing my h and mroe so than before. and its actually spreading its fins now just all clamped up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Awesome. Gotta love another success story. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 what do i do, how long do i wait to move it back to the main tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 It will no longer be infectious 24 hours after you dose them. If you plan to redose, do that this weekend and then put the fish back in the main tank 24 hours after medicating. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 9, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 jeniffer, are you like a vet or something? anyways, should i redose, will it have adverse effects? like make the bugs stronger or something? redose is a precautionary dose, so normal dose not double right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted July 9, 2010 Report Share Posted July 9, 2010 Ordinarily you wouldn't re-dose or double dose unless you were certain that the worm burden was high or that you confirmed drug resistant worms. The problem is, without testing, you can't really be sure what the problem is in the first place so the treatment was just a guess. That said, if the fish has not improved and the signs strongly point to parasites, it might be worthwhile to repeat the dose - it certainly will not harm the fish (deaths from deworming only really occur with exceedingly large doses or if there has been a massive die off of worms causing systemic toxicity in the fish's body - it is very uncommon to see really heavy worm loads though). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 the fish is not noticeably using both gills. and slightly mroe active but seems like its still unwell. i havent seen it eat but i see its stomach shrinking and enlarging after feeds so assume so. but still not swimming around as much and 45 degree angle hanging around. is there such a thing as too far gone? that there is no saving it? if so, is it more humane to put it down? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 are you furna-ing him? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted July 15, 2010 Author Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 furna ing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BikBok Posted July 15, 2010 Report Share Posted July 15, 2010 furna ing? Furan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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