Brianemone Posted November 26, 2004 Report Share Posted November 26, 2004 best place for info is either the nano section on Rc or www.nano-reef.com Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted November 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 Decided i dont want a sump. ill just setup a nano-reef and hope all goes well. still will need alot of help though, so if i ask stupid questions dont bite my head off Cheers Shae 250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted November 28, 2004 Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 you dont NEED a sump but nicer to hold all the gear that would normally sit in the tank. Chris nobody uses trickle filters anymore just a sump for xtra water volume & hold the gear! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted November 28, 2004 Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 Yeah, definitely go with a sump if you can. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted November 28, 2004 Author Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 nah, dont have a spare tank for one now. still keen as to set up a nano-reef though. Shae 250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted November 28, 2004 Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 the tank is the cheapest part of the whole thing so a sump is worth it. How about a plastic container (size to suit), then its real easy to put holes in it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted November 28, 2004 Report Share Posted November 28, 2004 Look at it this way, if you set up just a plastic tub as the sump, all that's going to cost you is about the cost of 1 frag. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted December 7, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 aight well i have a 50l perspex container for the sump. at the mo i just have daphnia in it, but am moving those into a large tank down the side of the house. will i have to have wholes in the actual reef tank itself? the 60l i mean? Cheers Shae 250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 Unless you want to try and DIY a hang on overflow box, yeah. It's a small tank, it won't be hard to get holes drilled and set up a proper overflow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chris_kerryn Posted December 7, 2004 Report Share Posted December 7, 2004 I might be able to fit a tall plastic container that would take about a 15-20 L or so in my cabinet. On a 75 L tank would it be worth it? At the moment I have the hang on the outside of the tank skimmmer which has a big pump on the base of the tank. this is fairly well hidden. this would probably have to stay there then this would need to discharge into the sump container. I am not keen on drilling into my operational tank either. I know the skimmer should be last but this is the only way that I could rig it unless completely starting over. Once I am in the sump container from the skimmer, then what? I know that I would need a pump to bring it back to the tank. Do I need a filter? I see at the shops they have coral and macro algae but then you would also need lights in there wouldnt you. Would it be worth putting coral rock in there in the dark? Would there be much benefit just having the water in there. I guess a good idea would be to have the pump near the top of the sump especially if I have a tall thin one to get in the cabinet so that any crap can settle on the bottom and be cleaned out during a water change. I could silicon some panels in like I have seen on some sumps. I guess somewhere in there you would need to place a sponge filter of sometype. Having this could I remove the trickle filter? can you get enough treatment with a few kg of liverock in the tank. By the way, I have a fish and it is still alive :lol: . It's only a damsel but I just wanted to make sure it would survive before I replace it with some better less aggresive fish. Anyone need one for cycling a Tank? any ideas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted December 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 After lots and lots of discussion with marine aquarists, and also waiting for all the nonsence thatw was going on in her to stop i have decided to use the 100l as my reef tank. I will have no sump, instead i will use a fluval 204 and a couple of power heads. All i need is live rock, live sand and heaps of mushrooms. and eventually i will get some clowns. Just wondering about everyones thoughts on the subject? Cheers Shae 250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 you will need the thing that addapts the fluval to take in water from the surface (surface skimmer) its about 15$ i think ill take a pick tonight so you can see what it is Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suphew Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 I have one of those surface water collector things and IMO they are crap, Ive been using it for about a year, the plastic fitting that connects the hose to the collector thing has spilt and comes lose, the bit that sticks out to connect to the ruber suckers is broken, and the floating skimmer part stays above water for two days if im lucky before getting sucked under. Why are you going to use the fluval? biofilter = high nitrate = bad news. The reason you're putting in live rock is to get the nitrate as low as possible. At the risk of of getting abused by other members for daring to suggest some thing other than a $1000+ skimmer, you can buy Lees air driven skimmers from the guy in kapiti for less than $100. Yes they are cheap and therefore nasty and would probally only just do the job and limit your bioload, but you can also ways add a better one later (when you win lotto). FYI I'm running a setup almost the same as what your planning to do 3 foot, 100 liter, no sump, been going since July, already planning the upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dan_from_nz Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 if your getting an air driven skimmer shouldn't you atlest go counter current which i assume is only just a little deerer? If you do go air driven make sure you get good wooden air stones and replace them often Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suphew Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 The lees model is counter current, wooden air stones (blocks??) are about $2 each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 i agree the surface skimmer is poorly designed but with a little tweaking it works quite well step one rip out that little screw up thing (breaks at the base easily) step two increase the base intake (other wise as you said the over flow part gets submerged quickly) by cutting some holes in the tube if your willing LB spend a little and get a small skimmer cause they are a good thing to have but you can even make your own, see nano-reef.com for the diy plans all you need is a air pump and some perspex Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted December 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Im lost and have absolutly no clue, what you guys are talking about, sry. Why cant i use the fluval? I dont really want to buy a skimmer. HOw is the fluval goign to increase the nitrates? its not a biofilter. And i have one of those connections for it you talk about, its been working perfectly! Shae 250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 You're better off spending the money you'd have spent on the fluval on a couple more powerheads or a skimmer. Unless you've already got the fluval of course. Makes a good place to put phosphate absorber and similar though, but you'd want to run it without any sponges or media. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 its good to put in some filter wool for a little bit to clear up the floaties. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted December 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 My intention is the FLuval 204 and a couple of power heads. Shae 250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ben19185074 Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 Hi i have a 90L reef (i think you have see the pic before) Having a Canister Filters (Fluval204) means you would want to put things like bio ring or substrat in it which is for biofiltering. They do a good job of filtering but will build up N03 which is bad for corals. (If you are running a FOT then is fine) It terms of using LR as filter is to keep NO3 as low as possible. In todays reef keeping the best and easy way would be lots LR + big skimmers. But keep in mine that only using LR as filter in a small tank would mean u can only keep a few small fish. I personally do use a Canister Filters with substrat in it for bio-filter due to the reason that i like to have more fish in a small reef tank. I just do more water changes to lower NO3. (Currently have 6 in it) Also have marco algae too. So if your ideal tank is a classic Nemo tank with a few coral, LR and skimmer would do you. If you are like me wanting to add more fish in later on get a canister filter but don't go for fluval, just get a 1200L/h Atman or Jebo (new version) would be ok. If you got the money go for eheim 2227 wet/dry. Best canister around and also can acts as a wavemaker in a small tank. Anyway no matter what a marine tank must have a skimmer, very important. Go get a cheap one if you a short of cash. But i advise you not to go for one with a air stone, one with pump won't cost much more. ViaAqua and weipro both make a hang on one for about $150 Surface skimmer just get one when you water surface is oily not something you must have to start with. Remember don't go for the one with plastic fitting and float around...really crap i had one too. Go for the Atman one should be much better. God~~what am i doing~~ i type a page..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted December 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 THERE NOT NEMOS!!! there clown fish!! and im going to have to make do with what Iv'e got unfortunatly, it is not a matter of just not going with a Fluval, personally i think they are the best but that is another matter, I have th gear that i can use, and i must leave it at that with the expetion of what i dont have, like the rock,sand mushys and fish. everything else i have purchased or already have and must do with what i have : FLuval 204, 150 watt jager heater, 2 powerheads, 100l tank and UV light. Shae 250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 UV light? You mean a UV sterilizer? You don't really want that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted December 15, 2004 Author Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 its a pink light, what do i preferable want then? shae 250 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted December 15, 2004 Report Share Posted December 15, 2004 At the very least replace it with a daylight tube. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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