ralliart314 Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 i have bout 3 male electri yellows bout 5 to 6 females, some blue zebras, breeding powder blues, orange zebras M. estherae kenyis some weird ones, will my electriv yellow breediing pair breed alright in here,or do u think i should get rid of some fish to help Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 size of tank? lots of rockwork will help some fry survive Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firenzenz Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 I'm with LA. If the tank is big enough then they will survive OK. Hybrids are are distinct possibility though. I have seen and read about orange and estherae crossing with yellows and no way to keep the powder blues pure in that setup Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 kenyis' with yellows too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralliart314 Posted February 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 so what fish do you rekon i get rid of,have lots of rockwork, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 11, 2010 Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 you can keep them all together though it will depend on individual fishes agression levels but if you want to guarantee breeding purebred fish you are better doing them in a species only set up some of the african females are hard to tell apart so once they are mixed it is hard to ensure matching up the right pairs for breeding later a tank of mixed africans is always busy this is a nice tank viewtopic.php?f=13&t=44066 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralliart314 Posted February 11, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 11, 2010 mine have been together since they were little,lady i got them off has had lots of fry from the electric yellows,she supplied petshops in chch with them,they all seem to be good,i mix the caves up every so often to keep aggression down,the kenyis are like 3cm where as my big zebra is bout 10cm he not even interested in them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Did I read you correctly in saying that you will keep yellow pair? Is that a separate pair to the other yellows? If adding in, just be careful of size differance. There is a chance of cross breeding of the species mentioned above by others. Depends on if you want to take the risk or not. Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralliart314 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 the ones im saying are powder blues are Pseudotropheus socolofi or Pseudotropheus pindani have had 2 lots from my females and got another one holding eggs at the moment,they look exactly like their mum and dad,the yellows are from wild parents so very rich in yellow,they have bred with these fish in the tank before,are all females are stripped and babys raised in their own tank to give mother fish a break and to get her condition back up Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 How big is the tank? The yellows are from wild parents?!?!? How did you lot over there score that? Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralliart314 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 lady supplied petshops,will try get a picture of the male ae,his black and yellow is awesome,her son gave them to her with paperwork saying who the importer was and date came in,so was quite rapt when i brought them for $47 got 4 fish,and heaps of free food and magnet cleaner,so pretty good valentines present from the gf i thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 It would be very interesting to see photos of these fish, wild or F1 yellows are supposed to be quite rare internationally probably what I would call nigh on impossible to see in NZ.. Of course it doesn't mean it can't happen My advice for you is if you want to breed from these fish then keep them in a species tank or if you have to mix them then mix fish from different groups, ie peacocks and mbuna to reduce the chances of cross breeding. The fish you have listed can and will all cross breed, the biggest risks being red zeb x yellow (very hard to tell from looking at the offspring) and your powder blues and red zebras. But if you just want to enjoy your fish keep them all together see what pops up and maybe give them away if things get too busy for you as you can't really guarantee their parentage. Maybe the "some weird ones" is a result of crossbreeding or the ones that didn't throw the same way as the others? Another thing to consider is did you buy any of these fish with scientiffic names (I can assume not when you started trying to match your powder blues to 2 different names) or just the common names you have quoted? Alot of people do sell fish with random names such as red zebra (for anything orange could be hybrid or anything else), powder blues (anything blue with black markings on fins). Having proper names assigned to random fish is very common with zebras generally I won't touch them from people unless I know they know what they are doing or they are fresh imports with proper names from a reputable importer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralliart314 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 gota work out how to use the photobucket thing first to get the pictures up,got some nice ones of the male e yellow with his female in his cave,one pwder blue female is holding eggs,so thats all 3 powder blues this month,i am intending on selling on or trading the peacocks and zebras,to just focus on my e yellows and powder blues Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralliart314 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 i brought fish off a lady who was selling up all her fish as her and her husband and pet magpie wanted to tour round country in their caravan,so i brought them as a mixed lot,only had intentions of keeping the powder blues and e yellows, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 IMO It is probably a bit dodgy to assign proper names to these fish and sell them with them if they were purchased as a bulk mixed lot.. Yes I know they may resemble fish from the internet but you have no real idea what they are unless they came from a good source. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralliart314 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 the lady got them all from her son in christchurch,who is a private local fish breeder of alot of cichlid species,i got given a clearfile with documentation about the yellows,saying where they were imported from and who imported them and so forth,so i presume they are all ok,as they are maf paperwork, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firenzenz Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Yeah I'm with Ryan. It's obvious how enthusiastic you are and that is great but you seem to be running like a freight train with the plans and claims etc. I like Ryan hope you have stumbled on F1 E yellows. These fish would be extremely rare not just in NZ but worldwide. Did they come from the Caravan, Magpie Lady?. Does the importation document ID them as F1 stock? If you got them for $47 plus extras then you have probably used up all your valentines day pressies all in one go. Those fish need their own tank if they are as claimed. The powder blues - what were they sold to you as? or have you ID'd yourself and we did the ID come from. I am worried that you seem so sure that all three spawns you have at the moment are pure strains considering the environment they've been bred in. As you can see the importance of the E yellows been pure particularly such rare ones as you've got then it is as important to be 100% positive the blues didn't breed with something else. You mentioned peacocks in a post also, in that they aren't going to be bred from. How are they with those tankmates. What variety(s) have you got. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralliart314 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 not to sure,they are a bright yellow peacock,in the light they have the blue irredescent markings on their face,several white spots on the anal fin,yes they were sold to me as powder blues,i tried to find the latin name as thats all everyone seems to use, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralliart314 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 everyone has said to watch the zebras,when i brought the fish i had no intention of keeping the zebras,i wanted all mbuna cichlids,so am willing to pass on the zebras to fellow fish keepers,the yellow breeding pair are in a tank of their own atm,never put them in the big tank till the zebras are gone, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 You do know that zebras are mbuna don't you? I am just saying that your powder blues may not be so pure if you have got a mixed bag.. End of the day it doesn't really matter provided you don't assign them a proper name you are unsure of, if I as you I would probably just pass them on as assorted zebras.. I would love to see this documentation that came with the yellows.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firenzenz Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 Perhaps the parents are imported stock and there has been an assumption that means wildcaught? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralliart314 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 will upload documentation when i work out photobucket will ask my brother when he gets off the xbox,hopefully it leads to something good,be good to know they are wild caught or whatever,it says they were sent from africa Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 if they originated from africa i would keep them by themselves and start breeding them just my opinion Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ralliart314 Posted February 13, 2010 Author Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 thanks living art,they are by themselves in s tank in my bedroom,ur feedback is greatly appreciated as ur tanks are incredible Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted February 13, 2010 Report Share Posted February 13, 2010 as firenzenz and ryan have said if documentation stacks up you have some rare fish and keeping track of them and their breeding will be bonus to e. yellow stock in the country my fingers are crossed for you thanks for your comments, i am still learning new things everyday and like others on here try to do the best for my fish with the knowledge i have Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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