Olly Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 I just got a new tank and want to put africans in it. Im thinking julidochromis, brichardi and luelupi if i can get some. im thinking about 3-4 of each. I have a big old atman external filter that does about 400lph to filter it with will this work? what problems would be likely to occur? i have looked them up on the internet and they look like they should be ok but I just want to check Are there any other fish could go in there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dixon1990 Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 400lph isnt much to filter a 3foot tank, Idealy the filter should have a turnover rate of atleast 5 times the tank volume. And i think there may be some competition between the lelupi and julies, but not too sure on that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly Posted August 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 itl do nearly 3 times an hour, tank is 130L but will be less after rocks. if filter not coping i can put an internal filter or two in it Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livingart Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 small bio load maybe equals smaller filter high bio load, bigger filter? add an airstone may help exchange of gases at surface Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Navarre Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 Hmm I am not an expert here but I would think that these fish would compete for territory in a tank that small and then it woudl be war. Just a thought Navarre Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 Fish stocking list might not work for a 3ft tank.. You have chosen alot of bottom dwelling quite aggressive fish for quite a small tank and as they grow you might have troubles. Unlike mbuna they dont work so well with groups. All things going well I should have some jullie marlieri for sale when I get back from overseas also.. Your filter will also be sweet for the small bioload that your planning. Other tank mates you could stick some larger more robust schooling fish or some peacocks or something like that depends what you like really.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly Posted August 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 peacocks are cool, would they be ok in that size tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 You could do 1m and 2-3+ females in that tank, it would work fairly long term but the male may get too big after a few years.. And they do mix alright with jullies and that too I have my breeding pair of jullies in my mixed tank at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly Posted August 25, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 cool i think that sounds good Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 Or you could just keep one variety, maybe just have a group of birchardi. 3x per hour is pitiful for a heavily stocked cichlid tank, 6-10x is ideal (depending on stocking and feeding etc). I'd suggest you buy another canister for it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted August 25, 2008 Report Share Posted August 25, 2008 Yeah one species would be cool but I think that looks a little boring OTY really.. If you wanted some jullies I could talk to my wife and see whats left there were 10 left when I left the country and they would be 3-4cm's now you could get some of them if you wanted.. And ill still have to disagree with the filter, he isn't suggesting any high bioload and so far only smaller not so messy tangs his filter will be fine. I have had 3ft fully stocked grow out tanks that I fed heavily with tiny internals or even air driven filters done weekly water changes and its been fine. Obviously with filtration is it best to buy the biggest you can afford, I don't think any of my tanks have 6-10 times filtration and I don't think I know of many that would. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 I guess it depends on what you're keeping and how much you're feeding. I've got a 200L 3' grow out with 2 700lph canisters, but it has 14 clown loaches and a heap of cichlids in it, and lots of meaty food like shrimp. His filter would certainly be alright for a start, but depending on what he stocks it with it may eventually need an upgrade. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly Posted August 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 thanks for the feedback. I now want 3-4 Julidochromis marlieri and 3-4 peacocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiden Posted August 26, 2008 Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 My personal preference or 2cents would be to get 6 marlieri and grow them out get a pair and enjoy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly Posted August 26, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 26, 2008 why is that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 Because they will attack the others... Even with just 3-4, if all same sex, 3 will hide a lot. If 2 pair up, the others will only be living down the far end of where the others choose to breed. The peacock may get smashed too. With what you are trying to do, it is trial & error. Good luck, you may be fine. Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 When I got mine I got 6.. A pair formed and laid a few times in a mixed tank 3ft tank it had the pair of jullies peacocks, and some mbuna in there.. The only time I started loosing the jullies was when I started mucking around with them and moving them around the place and they jumped out or I left them in nets.. Had a disaster with them for a while there.. Either way im sure there are heaps there if you wanted to try more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiden Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 So you can watch them breed and look after the fry......could be a little busy/full with peacocks if you are planning on staying with the 3ft long term IMO of course Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly Posted August 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 will they not breed with the peacocks in there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted August 27, 2008 Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 They will breed in a tank with peacocks, my first few spawns were in heavily mixed tanks the odds of many babies surviving is very low though.. They're probably still breeding in the tank they're in now, but im sure no babies will survive who knows ill find out when i get home I guess. Here is the tank they're in with some photo's of the pair of jullies. http://www.fnzas.org.nz/fishroom/my-tank--vt31753.html Bear in mind that your talking quite a long time frame before they grow out mature and pair off so you will have time to consider what you wanted to do by then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly Posted August 27, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 27, 2008 hehe that little tail-less guy is cool I'm going grow up the jullies and see how I like them before looking at getting anything else Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Olly Posted August 28, 2008 Author Report Share Posted August 28, 2008 :bounce: :bounce: I got some Jullies :bounce: :bounce: 4 of them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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