markoshark Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 And the dealer apparently has a "special" on these. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 At least with the fish industry, you don't have pricespy with online shops advertising $1-10 on cost lol. Yes but not the same, 2 Million people want pcs, vs 400 hobbyist want marines. many PC business actually make money. vs shops make no money. Pcs dont die, Fish business is high risk, so you should expect good returns, but this is not the case. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markoshark Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 True. There is also a loophole in the NZ immigration laws. Come to NZ, run a compay for two years, get residency, go to australia. >.< And back to corals: A lot of the corals i've seen in NZ are pretty good, when they come in as frags, they are pretty crappy, but with time and feeding will change colour, shape etc, and will become more interesting specimins. (I need to find zoos ) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 I think thats why is is fun to buy a brown acros, who know what it will turn out like, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markoshark Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 White acro anyone lol? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmxmatt Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Yes but not the same, 2 Million people want pcs, vs 400 hobbyist want marines. many PC business actually make money. vs shops make no money. Pcs dont die, Fish business is high risk, so you should expect good returns, but this is not the case. To be honest, you have to wonder how some of those PC companies do make money! But yeah, would be a bit different if there were 5000 little fish stores running out of the back of someones garage like their are PC shops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 be honest, you have to wonder how some of those PC companies do make money I dont think many make money, many come and go and the ones that charge more and provide better service are still around after 5 years. The margins in pcs are so low that you have to churn out thousands of pcs so you can make money. Also moving stock quickly is important otherwise you will have obsolete stock. the large pc companies have far more cashflow so they can offer a bigger range compared to the back yard companies. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 You would have thought Janssen closing would have been a warning, but the same people continue with the same naive attitudes and have really stuffed it up for others :roll: thats not the only reason; and that comment itself is completely naive and unjustified. competition sux when you're the one being competed with but its the way business works unfortunately. http://www.fnzas.org.nz/fishroom/-vp259068.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ira Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 It'd be nice if I could get some stock from these...Ahh...Competing people, instead everything I want gets bought by the shops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 NZL marine industry... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wilson Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 NZL marine industry... cONCH its best if you dont ask trust me Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmxmatt Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 LOL! Bang Bang! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tHEcONCH Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Hey don't take this the wrong way - I'm more than happy to pay for quality - as some of you know from what I paid for some of those pieces in my tank. I also support my LFS, because without them doing marine would be just too difficult. That said, there are times when I've had money in my pocket but no place to spend it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puttputt Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 I think thats why is is fun to buy a brown acros, who know what it will turn out like, Theres something that I agree with , I'm convinced that the aquafarmed corals we see mainly imported here weren't farmed because they were brown. Love watching the colours come through. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puttputt Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 i hate "page expired", when you refresh you get a double post. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 I'm convinced that the aquafarmed corals we see mainly imported here weren't farmed because they were brown. pretty much. surprises are good to some degree. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tHEcONCH Posted October 15, 2007 Author Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Marine has to be one of the most naturally exciting aspects of the hobby, but it ironically is probably the aspect least catered for in most shops. This isn't pointed at anyone in particular (I know some of you have vested interests), but to a newbie the lack of availablility is one of the key problems in getting into marine (Price is the other obvious one, but as I've already said I don't mind paying for quality and understand better than most that suppliers have to make a margin). I've been fortunate enough to be given frags from a tank that was being torn down, without which I'd have had very limited options - especially in an RSM where Coral compatibility has to be considered more carefully. I'm all for supporting local industry and suppliers (and I know I'm paying more than I have to to do it) and hope that by pointing out my experiences as a newbie, suppliers and retailers might realise that there is a demand that they are yet to answer. There is a market to be developed and money to be made - just remember to look at it from the customer's point of view and apply some basic business principles - If you look after your customer base by supplying a desirable product at regular intervals (whatever the price point) and the market will grow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fmxmatt Posted October 15, 2007 Report Share Posted October 15, 2007 Good point, it is true that for industry growth to happen, stock must be easily accessed for customers. In saying that, it may be best that its not that easy to start a tank and have dozens more people "attempt" to have a reef setup. The way the industy is now, it makes people who are really keen on the idea really look into whats required, and how they are going to achieve what they want, rather than going and buying a tank, cheap gear, and a few expensive fish/corals which will enevidably die due to lack of research/care on the new owners behalf. I'm thoroughly enjoying learning this whole new side of fishkeeping, and all the money & time (TIIIIMEEE!!!) i've spent is somewhat rewarded when someone comes over and goes "OMG WOW!!!!" which only rarely happened with my freshwater tanks due to them being so common, i.e it was just another fish tank. :bounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petplanet Posted October 16, 2007 Report Share Posted October 16, 2007 Fmxmatt, you are spot on. You would have thought Janssen closing would have been a warning, but the same people continue with the same naive attitudes and have really stuffed it up for others. Sure we all want stuff cheap but at what cost to the industry. So why are they closing down their ponds as well and no longer selling pond plants? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneo Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 So why are they closing down their ponds as well and no longer selling pond plants? :lol: some evil person must be selling them out of there garage!!!!!!! the pond plant market is about to crash'n'burn :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puttputt Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 Took the words out of my mouth Shaneo Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
markoshark Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 The question is - Is the average hobbyist hurting the fish shops when they grow plants in their pond, the plants grow, the hobbyist sells them / trades them on Trademe, on this site etc, is that going to be hurting the shops? People breeding on TM, same deal? People growing coral and giving away frags / selling frags at like 1/5th the price of the shops etc etc etc. Most people would rather have a coral from an established tank that has only been in NZ for a couple of weeks etc. More ways to look at it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
shaneo Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 reef wrote: I think thats why is is fun to buy a brown acros, who know what it will turn out like, Theres something that I agree with , I'm convinced that the aquafarmed corals we see mainly imported here weren't farmed because they were brown. Love watching the colours come through. Yea but they always come out purple in my tank :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted October 17, 2007 Report Share Posted October 17, 2007 So why are they closing down their ponds as well and no longer selling pond plants? I guess they are focusing on being a profitable business, and focusing on core products that produce a solid revenue stream. something you have to do so you are still around in 5 years etc. With the current climate of things slowing more buisiness should be looking at reducing costs and remove unprofitable product lines. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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