andrew129 Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Hey guys, Had this in with my peacocks what is it anyone know? Thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malawi_man Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 doesn't look right to me. Looks like fryeri cross azureus? Could just be a pure fryeri. How old is he? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew129 Posted August 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 He is about 110mm long approx, swapped him at the local fish shop didn't know what he was I just wanted a bigger fish for my male peacock tank and wondered what he was as I have no idea? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Can't be an electric blue {fryeri}, they don't have utaka spots. Will say, that is a very nice clean looking electric yellow. Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew129 Posted August 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 Thanks Frenchy The yellow is a nice fish, good colour Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew129 Posted August 18, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 I think the yellow came from mystic Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firenzenz Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 I've seen Fryeri X lithobates that looked like that. Not straight Fryeri Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 are you guys refering to a Blue Caeruleus? if so there are a couple of differences between that fish & a Blue Caeruleus. it doesnt have any black on its dorsal fin & the mouth looks like the wrong shape. To me, it looks like a fryeri shape with cobalt blue colouring. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/s ... hp?id=1667 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted August 18, 2007 Report Share Posted August 18, 2007 that fish has the fryeri stripes & the utaka spots. i have just been & had a look & one of my 5 fryeri also has some spots similar to that. I cannot remeber exactely but i think my larger fully coloured fryeri had spots before he became fully coloured. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
malawi_man Posted August 19, 2007 Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 no we don't mean blue caeruleus, they are completely different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted August 19, 2007 Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 Sorry Smidey pure fryeri do not have utaka spots at any stage. Juvi, mature, female etc. I am more inclined to go with firenzenz, litho cross fryeri are common unfortunately. Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob the builder Posted August 19, 2007 Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 please don't get him started on the fryeri/litho cross issue, I sold him those fryeri and they are definitely not crosses unless they did the dirty in the lake.rcon sold me the parents and at the price I paid they better not be crosses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
andrew129 Posted August 19, 2007 Author Report Share Posted August 19, 2007 Okay that's what I thought, this guy is in a all male tank so this guy is never going to breed. The man at the local fish shop should have givin this guy a sea burial to make sure he didn't cross any further! he was in a tank with other female's. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 please don't get him started on the fryeri/litho cross issue, I sold him those fryeri and they are definitely not crosses unless they did the dirty in the lake.rcon sold me the parents and at the price I paid they better not be crosses. to be honest, i wouldn't care if they were crossed. they look great & i cant tell the difference between my fryeri & the ones in the species register on the cichlid forum. if something walks like a duck, sounds like a duck & looks like a duck. It must be a duck. What litho are you all refering to? Lithochromis? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Sorry Smidey pure fryeri do not have utaka spots at any stage. Juvi, mature, female etc. I am more inclined to go with firenzenz, litho cross fryeri are common unfortunately. Frenchy my mature ones dont have the spots any more just a juvie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Afrikan Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 That looks like one of the fish that came in as "Electric Blue Haps"... the supplier had "Electric Blue Haps" on the list available, and at the same time had "Electric Blue Fryeri" on the list also, the fryeri being alot more expensive and the others being alot cheaper. I actually sent Frenchy a couple of pics of the ones that arrived at hubbys work (labelled "Electric Blue Haps") and they clearly had utaka spots aswell, after seeing them on arrival, I swear they looked like lithos x fryeri. The more expensive ones on the list "fryeri" were very nice tho... but bugger the cheaper ones, they definately looked like crosses. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Nope we are talking about Otopharynx lithobates You missed the point on the utaka sopts. As a mentioned earlier, pure Fryeri do not get spots at all. As a juvie, female or adult. Now lithobates are a utaka, therefore they have the spots. Males of these, can & do lose the spots as the blue body colour takes over. Females tend to always keep the spots. Same said for other utaka's, eg; Copadichromis genus. Now unfortunately there are plenty of these hybrids throughout the world. It is one way a lfs employee, importer etc checks for when buying Electric Blues{fryeri} {well decent ones anyway} As Mekhaela noted, she thought some that came into NZ were suss, therefore she asked for my opinion. As they were imports & under a trade name, I thought I better check with others. So I checked with Brad{lfs owner} & another lfs owner/wholesaler of 20 years experience. They came up with the same opinion as me. Now the one pictured above, looks like the ones Mekhaela. to be honest, i wouldn't care if they were crossed. they look great & i cant tell the difference between my fryeri & the ones in the species register on the cichlid forum. if something walks like a duck, sounds like a duck & looks like a duck. It must be a duck. Well your are right it looks like an african cichlid. Sorry to say if your fryeri has utaka spots like the one pictured in this post.... "Your duck got funky with a chicken" {both birds } Therefore, your I don't care attitude means.... Warning to other forum members. If what is mentioned above in these posts is true, don't buy fryeri off the person with the username starting with S. {IMO} Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Nope we are talking about Otopharynx lithobates You missed the point on the utaka sopts. As a mentioned earlier, pure Fryeri do not get spots at all. As a juvie, female or adult. Now lithobates are a utaka, therefore they have the spots. Males of these, can & do lose the spots as the blue body colour takes over. Females tend to always keep the spots. Same said for other utaka's, eg; Copadichromis genus. Now unfortunately there are plenty of these hybrids throughout the world. It is one way a lfs employee, importer etc checks for when buying Electric Blues{fryeri} {well decent ones anyway} As Mekhaela noted, she thought some that came into NZ were suss, therefore she asked for my opinion. As they were imports & under a trade name, I thought I better check with others. So I checked with Brad{lfs owner} & another lfs owner/wholesaler of 20 years experience. They came up with the same opinion as me. Now the one pictured above, looks like the ones Mekhaela. As i said below i couldn't remember exactely if my coloured fryeri had spots but it think he did. he definately did, one "spot" just in front of his tail exacetly like the juvie i have to (I may have suggested that he had more than one previously). i have just looked on the cichlid forum species register & have found a fryeri that also has a "spot" just in front of his tail as below link. this may not be a spot, more a short stripe in these cases. see photo #6 http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/s ... hp?id=1328 i will post a pic when photobucket comes back on line. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Well your are right it looks like an african cichlid. Sorry to say if your fryeri has utaka spots like the one pictured in this post.... "Your duck got funky with a chicken" {both birds } Therefore, your I don't care attitude means.... Warning to other forum members. If what is mentioned above in these posts is true, don't buy fryeri off the person with the username starting with S. {IMO} Frenchy I do respect the importance myself of not spreading hybrids around, it doesnt worry me in the slightest if hybrids were bred in my tank but i certainly would never sell or give away. i might keep them if they looked good but would destroy them if i broke down my tanks. as long as i have control of them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 i have just been & had a look & one of my 5 fryeri also has some spots similar to that. I cannot remeber exactely but i think my larger fully coloured fryeri had spots before he became fully coloured. Well you mentioned plurals{spots} & my comments were "if" yours look liked the one in the pic. The utaka spots are generally 3 groups of spots http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/o_lithobates.php Hybrids of the 2 species mentioned tend to show the spots, in strong to faded form. Electric blues cross very quickly & easily with lithos & peacocks. Just a warning for others. Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Well you mentioned plurals{spots} my mistake which i humbly apoligise for :oops: & my comments were "if" yours look liked the one in the pic. which it doesn't, my coloured male is the same shape with darker colours & no spots at all. my juvie has one spot or short stripe so no one needs to be afraid of buying fryeri from a member with the username starting with S! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob the builder Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 smidey the ones I sold you would have resembled the 2nd and 7th photos of the fryeri from Lumbaulo on the cichlid forum note the "spots" or "short lines" they ain't utaka spots. I kind of think it's a bit rude to say not to buy fish of someone your actually having discussions with on the forum its not a slag off session, its adult discussion .I was madly in love with photos of these fish when they were still haplochrmis ahli and you couldn't hardly even get africans in nz so I'm not likely to sell anyone mutts . Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
firenzenz Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 If the 'Blaze shows any sign of yellow as in the hybrids I saw then they could be suspect. Fryeri are distrubetd lake wide so regional variance for sure. Coincidently I have sub adult litho male swimming passed sub asdult Fryeri in tank as I write this_ I reckon if I morphed them in photoshop I'd get the the fish in the lead thread, never saw Smidey's fish so no comment. Please!!!-Breeding Africans- if you're not 100%- don't replace common sense for wishful thinking. Or shall we just make up new names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted August 20, 2007 Report Share Posted August 20, 2007 Like I said, "if" :roll: The post firstly was about a pic & fish ID. We got onto the topic of utaka spots. The fish mentioned is more than likely a hybrid. Someone types that his has similar spots & multiple spots. I was only going by what he typed. :roll: It is not a slagging match, he mentions what his are like, I give my view by what he said. That is all. At that stage what am I meant to go by? Not my mistake he didn't understand what I was getting at by definition of utaka spots. was madly in love with photos of these fish when they were still haplochrmis ahli and you couldn't hardly even get africans in nz so I'm not likely to sell anyone mutts . Thanks. Never said you did either & wow, thats 14 plus years ago now. With that experience, what are your views on the fish in question at the start of the post? Also if the comments are that bad, contact a mod, they can edit it. Does look like cross wires but... :roll: :lol: Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob the builder Posted August 21, 2007 Report Share Posted August 21, 2007 Actually it was twenty one years ago and it's definitely a litho cross ,I don't care for them myself apparantly they cross breed with fryeri and cause people to get rude to new comers to the hobby who may have a lack of experience but make up for it in enthusiasm.Thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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