michael.qian Posted July 28, 2007 Report Share Posted July 28, 2007 Few weeks back I added fish too fast as many of you may already know, but about 10-11 days ago ammonia was down to 0ppm for 2 days continuously and also 0ppm nitrite. 3-4 days ago I tested ammonia (I do everyday), and found levels rising slightly, yesterday it was up to about 0.5ppm or maybe even slightly higher. Any ideas for why this is happening? I havnt cleaned my filter at all for 4 weeks now, maybe I should give it a rinse? Also last wednesday and last saturday I did 2 full doses of ICH medicine, ICH is defintely gone now, but maybe the medicine killed some of the bacteria? Thanks for any ideas. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.qian Posted July 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 here is my list of fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Don't know what is in the medicine, but could be a possibility. Maybe the tank wasn't completely cycled. All you can do is cut back on feeding, do water changes etc. Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DutchKiwiCowboy2 Posted July 29, 2007 Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 I would not rinse the filter yet, if the medicine did kill off bacteria, the surviving ones in the filter could be a key factor in regeneration. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.qian Posted July 29, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 29, 2007 Also could it be my filter is not enough for the number of fish I have? It's rated for tank up to 160L, it is an Eheim 2010 Pickup. But considering the number of fish I have am I better off upgrading to a larger filter? I'm thinking of an Fluval 4 Plus. BTW sold my 16X white clouds, still in my tank though, planning to get some corys instead. Or a female siamese fighter if they are ok for community tanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me love fishy Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 female siamese fighters are fine for a community tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianab Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 It's rated for tank up to 160L, it is an Eheim 2010 Pickup. But considering the number of fish I have am I better off upgrading to a larger filter? I'm thinking of an Fluval 4 Plus. Personally I would stick with the Eheim. There wont be enough difference in filter performance to justify the cost. The Fluval pumps more water, but I believe the Eheim has more filter media, so similar results. Of course you could go for a nice canister filter, but by the time you buy one of those you could have set up another 100l tank with basic equipment and have solved your overcrowding that way (for a while at least) Cheers Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.qian Posted July 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Tested ammonia this morning this morning and it's still the same as yesterday, 0.5ppm or slightly above. Will stick with the Eheim for now, going to do a 25% water change tomorrow, but if it doesn't rise or even drops a little I'll do the change on wednesday, which is exactly 1 week from last wednesday when I did my 25% change. I doubted my tank is overcrowding biologically though, just thought it's better to have a bit more variety rather than 2 lots of schooling fish in big numbers. What about a male siamese fighter? Just one, some of them look great with their colours. cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 have you checked to see if there are any dead fish under wood ,rocks etc.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.qian Posted July 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 When I'm home I check my tank every 20 minutes lol. So far can't see any dead fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 just a thought 8) , as that can cause ammonia problems etc... thats all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BK Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Dead snails? meds for ich have copper in them that pretty much deals to them I think. Add cycle/stress coat and water changers are the only way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.qian Posted July 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Re BK Yes I put in asbout 30 malayan trumpet snails long long time ago, pretty sure most of them are dead under the gravel as I see a few hollow shells now and then, do see the odd ones out at night time though, even yesterday a fairly big was was visible on the glass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 I would say the dead snails are more a result of the clown loaches. So have you done any water changes since the previous reading of ammonia. What is your ph of the tank. Chances are the ammonia reading can contain ammonium, which is harmless in that state. But should be still removed. Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.qian Posted July 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Last water change was last wednesday, since then ammonia dropped to 0ppm but has picked up again unfortunately, highly suspect the ICH medicine. Will do one tomorrow unless it stays the same or begin to drop which in that case will do it on wednesday, which makes it a complete week. I actually most of the trumpet snails died of cold temperature before I added a heater, about 2 months ago. Before that my tank was at about 14 degrees. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.qian Posted July 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 Just saw tiny little baby fish swimming under the driftwood!!! Think it's a baby swordtail, the tail looks like it anyway, only about 3mm long at most. Sadly not much I can do for it right? I've got over 50 fish in my tank and it might get eaten? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidb Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 put it in a Net breeder Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.qian Posted July 30, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 With one of those would I have to catch the baby fish? thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidb Posted July 30, 2007 Report Share Posted July 30, 2007 yeah. just catch it with a small, fine net and dump it in the net breeder, which will be hanging on the inside of the tank. the befefit of the net breeder over the betta containers is that there are only small holes in the net breeder so small fish can't be sucked out of it by larger fish Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianab Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Could be swordtail or WCMM, hard to tell at that size. There are probably several in there, and if you can catch them a breeding net will work fine. But the ones that are left are the hardest to catch/ best at hiding ones. About now you start thinking " A small breeding tank would be handy ".. And so it begins :lol: Cheers Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
me love fishy Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 you could always just leave it and see if it survives on its own, I've had a few babies survive by their own means. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.qian Posted July 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 It's going to be very hard to catch I think. I think it hangs around under the driftwood most of the time, tried looking for it this morning but couldn't see it. It's current size won't fit in the WCMM or the neon tetras, can't fit most of the swordtails except two of the biggest ones, will fit in the clown loach's mouth and I'm most worried about that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
michael.qian Posted July 31, 2007 Author Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Definitely think it's a swordtail now, has a light orange colour and seems to have gone bigger than it was yesterday, may not be the same one though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ianab Posted July 31, 2007 Report Share Posted July 31, 2007 Could be.. after a few days it will be big enough to survive. Many fish will spawn in a community tank, and often a couple of fry will make it if there are no big predators in there. But setting up a breeding tank lets you raise 90% of the fry instead of 10%. Cheers Ian Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nicolette Posted August 1, 2007 Report Share Posted August 1, 2007 About now you start thinking " A small breeding tank would be handy ".. And so it begins :lol: Ian Ians right.. it does begin.. my baby glow lights beat the odds and 2 survived without any care/feeding/help from me so I just HAD to get a breeding tank to see if I could breed the spawning parents myself. I got sucked in. They wont go near each other in the breeding tank....yet I feel a need to fill it with something... and so it continues... Good luck with the ammonia. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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