Breeding orandas

[IOU1]

Hi,

I have just got carried away and paid $250 for a pair of orandas from 'iloveoranda' :oops: :-? (Now to arrange the money to pay)

I want to attempt breeding them, any advice would be great!!

I'll go and arrange a loan from the bank now :lol: :lol:

[fishboi]

have u breed and raise goldfish before? Oranda is a very hard one to start with.

here is the very basic on spawning them naturally

keep the male and the female separate for conditioning.

keep the male on a normal diet and put the female on a high protein diet like meal worm, brine shrimp....... and just as the female is about to burst put some spawning mop in with the female and introduce the males with water temperature around 20degrees

now do a cold water change and see the male chase after the female and do prepare yourself as they're pretty ruff and u may need to remove the female to make them stop. as soon as u think u have enough eggs take all the parents out and drop the water level down to around 12cm and wait 4 to 5 days before hatching. keep the water while circulated and very very clean.

be prepare to do some kulling as a medium size female can easily drop over 1000 eggs and a lot of them will be nymphs.

[Insect Direct]

Good effort on winning those auctions I was watching but had a power cut so only just got back on, I was gonna bid but you would of out done me!

Congrats theyre nice fish

[Fishman]

Hi Fishboi

How do you change the water without siphoning out the fry? I have some fry at the moment and have not change the water for 2 weeks now, they are so tiny and I might siphon them out of the tank.

[IOU1]

Thanks for all your help.

After wining the male I decided that I MUST get the female to go with it, I was begining to wonder what to do with the male I won, but decided that it was only once off and its the holidays :oops: So I went beyond my limit to get the female. After winning I realised how small they actually were

I wonder if layby is available :-? :lol:

Thanks fishboi for the advice, I know orandas are probably more difficult to breed, but they should breed one day...... :-? :-? :roll:

Any other advice would be great, I will spend this week setting up the tanks

[fishboi]

Hi Fishboi

How do you change the water without siphoning out the fry? I have some fry at the moment and have not change the water for 2 weeks now, they are so tiny and I might siphon them out of the tank.

tie old stocking at the end of hose with a piece of rubber band or if u have a breeding trap float it in the tank and syphon from within the trap.

water changing and feeding is the key for good growth as once u miss the growth spurt they grow slowly.

should be 4-5cm within 3-4 month. kull as u go so they're not competing for food.

[fishboi]

After winning I realised how small they actually were

Thanks fishboi for the advice, I know orandas are probably more difficult to breed, but they should breed one day...... :-? :-? :roll:

Any other advice would be great, I will spend this week setting up the tanks

size doesn't matter as u would just get less eggs from the female and is most likely too much anyway. they will spawn once over a year old and 2 years of age is prime for breeding.

if ur setting up a tank inside in summer the problem will be they would be constantly in heat and the male may Chase after the female non stop even when she is not ready to drop so be prepared to separate them. i use a divider when conditioning the fish males on one side females on the other.

where were u when i was selling off some of my breeders 15+cm 2 years old $80

http://www.fnzas.org.nz/fishroom/fs-lar ... 16527.html

[IOU1]

I didn't see that listing.

This pair are 11months old, I'll keep them until January and then try and breed them.

About the dividers, my tank is about 250L and I want it to be a semi display tank aswell as a breeding tank, if this won't work i'll use outside ponds to breed. Are there any dividers that aren't permantely stuck on your tank that can be removed completely if a visitor is coming etc :roll:

These fish better not die on me

[fishboi]

About the dividers, my tank is about 250L and I want it to be a semi display tank aswell as a breeding tank, if this won't work i'll use outside ponds to breed. Are there any dividers that aren't permantely stuck on your tank that can be removed completely if a visitor is coming etc :roll:

These fish better not die on me

yes, those are the ones i use Penn-Plax Tank Divider but u mite have to get one order for that size though ur LFS as they dont normally stock that size. my biggest one cost $18

due to the "deformed" shape of their body orandas swam bladder is at a funny place and shape so they easily get swim bladder problems. make sure u feed them a good mixture of food containing vegetables for digestion. Hikari oranda gold or lionhead sinkers are both good staple food and they love cucumber and courgettes. flake is ok but any like floating stick type food for "pond fish" must avoid and a good way to test this is if u can crush it with ur fingers then is no good.

[Insect Direct]

I saw that listing but didnt have the $$ at the time so was pretty guttered as it did look like a dam nice fish!

[IOU1]

So those holder thing on the ends of the dividers don't 'glue to the tank' and can be removed.

Thanks for the great advice fishboi.

Another question, would would be best, a filtered clear 250L indoor tank, or a unfiltered slightly planted outdoor pond???

I would hate them to go in the pond and run out of oxygen and die, but I think the oxygen weed helps.

Thanks again for all your help, I'm after coldwater plants aswell if any are available.

[IOU1]

Also, how can you stop them loosing their 'red' colouration?

I saw that craigs female red cap lost her red colouration, why would that be?

Sorry about all the questions :oops: :oops:

[fishboi]

So those holder thing on the ends of the dividers don't 'glue to the tank' and can be removed.

Thanks for the great advice fishboi.

Another question, would would be best, a filtered clear 250L indoor tank, or a unfiltered slightly planted outdoor pond???

I would hate them to go in the pond and run out of oxygen and die, but I think the oxygen weed helps.

Thanks again for all your help, I'm after coldwater plants aswell if any are available.

no they just clip on to the sides so no gluing involved.

its really up to u at this time of the year as they would do well in either. its a lot easier to keep a close eye on them when they're in door but out door they get all the lovely natural algae, bugs....etc. i wouldn't be worried about lack of oxygen unless we're talking about a very small tub as a pond eg 100Litres or something.

if u choose to put them out side i would think of moving them back in during winter as they dont tolerate the cold that well especially the proper orandas that u have.

[fishboi]

Also, how can you stop them loosing their 'red' colouration?

I saw that craigs female red cap lost her red colouration, why would that be?

Sorry about all the questions :oops: :oops:

sometimes its just with age especially with redcaps as most of the spawn would be all white [silver, lemon head....etc] some would have red on other part of the body then only a small percentage with red in the cap only and even then they're color is not stable till a year of age. thats why they're so pricey$$

to keep the color nice and bright choose food especially formulated for goldfish as most of them would have color enhancer in them. just read the ingredients to make sure. all Hikari mix has it. carotene is what they need but unfortunately they dont like carrots :roll:

dont mind the questions one bit in fact we dont really get any topics here on goldfish so i jump at the chance every time there is one so i should be saying sorry for the bla bla bla :lol: :lol:

[IOU1]

:lol: :lol: :lol: Your advice is much better than any internet source.

I don't know if there is much more to ask really, unless anyone knows something I have missed, hopefully this thread is helping others aswell :oops:

I think I'll set up the indoor tank for now and try from there.

One last question, I am wanting the tank planted but want one particular plant for them to spawn on so I can set the tank up in the way to easily block of that part of the aquarium, if I have java moss, vallisneria etc is there any plant that they prefer to lay on that I can seperate from the rest, or am I getting too picky and fussy now??? :lol: :lol: :oops: :roll:

I think my username says it all, IOU1 :lol: :lol: :lol:

I seem to be owing people a lot of favours :oops: :lol:

[fishboi]

One last question, I am wanting the tank planted but want one particular plant for them to spawn on so I can set the tank up in the way to easily block of that part of the aquarium, if I have java moss, vallisneria etc is there any plant that they prefer to lay on that I can seperate from the rest, or am I getting too picky and fussy now??? :lol: :lol: :oops: :roll:

just so were on the same track, u want a plant that they would pick to spawn on so u can Davide that particular plant off?

if so then no unfortunately they're egg scatters and would even spawn in a empty tank and all over the tank. its almost impossible to raise the frys in the same tank as the parents even if they're separated.

WHY- 1/the frys are very very small when first hatched so unless u have a solid glass divider they would swim over to the other side and be eaten by the parents. 2/ u need to drop the water level for easy feeding and i dont imagine the parents been very happy living in 15 -20cm deep water. 3/ goldfish are very messy fish yet they need very clean water especially the frys.

[Insect Direct]

dont mind the questions one bit in fact we dont really get any topics here on goldfish

I think the goldfish side is abit hush hush for some reason, so good to see some goldfish talk on here thats for sure, and you sure seem to know your goldfish fishboi so its good to hear from someone with abit of knowledge on the subject!

[IOU1]

Yeah we are on the same track....

Oh well, I think what i'll do is move the parents to the outdoor pond if they lay and do what you say to raise the fry, then when they are big enough I'll move them outside, move the parents back in the tank and try again.

Would the oranda pair mind moving from a clear filtered tank to a green watered planted pond after each laying of eggs if I floated them in a bag to adjust each time? Also, how old do the fry need to be until they can be moved?

Sorry you are probably getting sick of this thread :oops: These should be the last few questions...I was dissapointed hearing that this person doesn't show off his steup, and therefore has left me unsure of exactly waht to build etc.

Thanks again, this is GREAT advice

[fishboi]

Yeah we are on the same track....

Oh well, I think what i'll do is move the parents to the outdoor pond if they lay and do what you say to raise the fry, then when they are big enough I'll move them outside, move the parents back in the tank and try again.

u mean start them in side then move them out side with they spawn to raise the frys inside. right? one other problem is goldfish eats their eggs as fast as they dropped them so with out actually been there for the spawn ur most likely going to miss them. saying that its not impossible

Would the oranda pair mind moving from a clear filtered tank to a green watered planted pond after each laying of eggs if I floated them in a bag to adjust each time? Also, how old do the fry need to be until they can be moved?

not at all but the best way is to put them in a bucket [bigger bucket the better, i use20 Litre buckets] half fill with the original water then slowly fill the bucket of the water they're about to go into.

the process should take half an hour and have the bucket next to where they will be goin in next to get the same room temperature. best way to handle goldfish is with ur hand or a soft net like a butterfly catching net http://www.hometrainingtools.com/tbimag ... 00.481.jpg

they can be moved once they hit 1cm which is only really 1-2 weeks.

I was dissapointed hearing that this person doesn't show off his steup, and therefore has left me unsure of exactly waht to build etc.

Thanks again, this is GREAT advice

like MiNcIE said breeders are very hush hush about there work and careful not to give too much away. i can see why ppl don't allow pick ups as i've avoid that ever since few years ago i had to spent huge amount of $$ to get my fence changed and security lights put in to stop ppl from stealing my fish every summer. i've hardly sold goldfish on TM ever since.

sometimes its security but sometimes its just they've got nothing to show really. u would be surprised with the set up and the lack of knowledge some breeders have even when they've manage to produce some of the top quality fish. not saying that i know it all cuz i certainly dont but i am not afraid to share and discuss.

keep in mind this is just one way of breeding which IMO the best way for a beginner. i personally hand strips them for milt and egg. raising the frys is the real hard work

[IOU1]

Thanks again.

You say that the parents eat as fast as they lay, how is it that babies orandas are born? Is someone there all day ready to remove them when they lay? :-? Seems amazing how some manage to hatch :-?

I think most of my questions are answered, you have created quite a thread, thankyou

[Aquagold]

As a goldfish farmer...... we put in spawning mops into the pond containing the breeders, hope they spawn on the mops and remove the mops once this has taken place.

Goldfish usually spawn first thing in the morning so when we feed out we check the mops.

I f you want to grow fry just put them in a green pond once hatched. Then a week later add Daphnia.

Don't expect to grow them all. Don't expect to keep them all.

Most breeders grow about 10 percent of the spawn. The rest are sold as fantails.

Most people will not get rich breeding fancy goldfish, I know.

Rob

[IOU1]

Thanks Rob