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Pegasus said... > You WERE confused. Not unusual at all. > I don't "proclaim" to be anything ... You did say: > "The Latin side of things is no prob, as I was brought up to learn > Latin from the age of five..." ... > There was very little point in stating the obvious Once again, you did say: > ... does this mean we have different names for the males and > females... all humour aside of course? So I honestly thought you didn't understand my point. And I thought that maybe someone else might be reading the thread and be interested in having it clarified. ... > Possibly because they can't get it right the first time. > It seems even the experts make mistakes Which is why it sometimes takes us a couple of goes to get our angel fish fry to hatch... We're all prone to mistakes, from time to time. I don't know anyone who can't learn something new, as more information comes to light. Just as well really, otherwise things would get very boring very quickly... Andrew.

Bruce said... > Can Anyone Identify it?? Looks like the rare 'two tailed' form of (Meso)neomacheilus triangularis to me. See: http://aquaweb.pair.com/LOACH/neomachei ... aris.shtml Andrew.

Bruce said... > Well since your adding people to the list might as well add me as well There is no actual list, I was just checking to see if people thought there would be any interest. Apparently there is. Andrew.

Ira said... > If they become available, I WILL buy them to support genetic > engineering. "To each, their own". I won't. Not that I expect them to become available here. Andrew.

Alan said... > I heard you had these when I was down at Napier, but you > had shot thru before I could chat to you about them. Put my > name on the list please. Maybe I should just get 50 from my buddy in Wanganui and sell them off at an exorbitant price and split the profits? It'd make a change from me giving most stuff away... ;-) Or I could take some up to Auckland next week and sell them to Jansens as the latest thing. I hear they're not short of a dollar or two... Ka-ching! Realistically, I probably should make some effort to breed them but the killies are taking up most of my tank space at the moment (you feed the little buggers and they breed and then you have to raise the babies - sigh). I have made sure that at least one other person here has some though... Maybe I'll find the time to do a bit of a re-org over the weekend and generate a spare tank that way. I'm keeping the long fins well away from my regular minnows, BTW. Andrew.

Alan said... > If I remember correctly, there was an excellent vet that > dealt with fish in Palmerston North. Correct me if I'm wrong > tho, I think his name was David Dowde, and he was used by > some of the hobbyist there. There *was* a vet here named David Dowd but he has since moved to Australia, probably in the early 90s. He was one of the original killifish people in NZ and an excellent fish keeper (when he had the time). Can't comment on his dealings with sick fish though. Oddly enough, Eric from Wet Pets now lives in his old house although it's gone through a few hands since then David sold it. Andrew.

Pegasus said... > ... does this mean we have different names for the males and > females... all humour aside of course? I thought, being a self proclaimed latin scholar since the age of 5, that you would understand the concept of 'gender' as it applies to words (especially nouns, ie 'names'). Sorry if I was confused. Have a look at: http://www.orbilat.com/Latin/Grammar/La ... tml#Gender Basically, because names in latin have male or female connotations which are often variations on the way the word ends, if a genus name is masculine then the specific name should be too and vice versa. This means that sometimes when a genus name changes (say from Lebistes to Poecilia, which is also a switch in the gender of the word used as the genus name) then the species name changes too (ie from reticulatus to reticulata). Sadly, not everyone picks up on these changes and so you see combinations of names in common (and even non-ichthyological scientific) use. Also, interestingly, there is apparently talk of resurrecting the name Lebistes so then it'll all change back again for the poor old guppy Andrew.

Pegasus said... > Lesbites reticulatus... now Poecilia I think you mean 'Lebistes'. 'Les-bites' is a whooole different thing... The change from 'Lebistes' to Poecilia also caused a change from 'reticulatus' to 'reticulata'... All humour aside - because of the 'gender' of the genus names. > Ciclasoma meeki... now Thorichthys meeki Cichlasoma. Some info on the whys and wherefores can be found at: http://www.cichlidae.com/articles/a024.html > Barbus tetrazona.... now Puntius tetrazona It was also 'Capoeta' for a while. Look at how many 'Tiger Barbs' there are: http://www.fishbase.org/ComNames/Common ... chList.cfm All interesting stuff Andrew.

Pegasus said... > So how about a bit of history Andrew... > How did they get the name "Killies" ? There are a couple of theories but the most popular one is that it's from the Dutch-American word for a small stream or ditch (Kil). Have a look at: http://www.killi.net/nwslarts/nlar381.html Andrew.

Pegasus said... > Just wondering if all the young will be true albino. > What are the chances ? As albinism is generally a recessive trait and both the parents of my fry are albinos, all the fry will be (are) albinos. Andrew.

Folks, Shouldn't skite but I'm happy to say that as of the other day, my pair of the above (the last in NZ) have turned into 30+ newly hatched babies - now I've just got to raise them up and get them out to other breeders... http://www.djramsey.com/tropfish/gold11.JPG Not that I'm a fan of albino fish but these have some historical significance to me. Now, onto the next species. Andrew.

Pegasus said... > Half a capful gives me enough shrimp for around three days... There is a school of thought that says BBS lose most of their nutrional value soon after hatching so fresher is better. http://fins.actwin.com/killietalk/month ... 00033.html I feed mine out as soon as they've hatched. Big fish will eat the spares. Andrew.

Caryl said... > Add to that retailers' habit of making up fancy common > names and you never know what you are getting! Common names are often a curse. They work on the local level (ie within a small group of people) but often get confusing when different small groups are trying to communicate. There's no reason to believe that a common name in NZ is going to be the same as the one for the same fish in Germany or Japan or where-ever. The advantage of scientific names is that they can ALWAYS be traced to a specific animal and its formal description. Preserved specimens are available for comparison. Of course it's beyond the average hobbyist to look up these voucher specimens but the fact remains that it's technically possible. Funnily enough, scientific names were not created for hobbyists they're just a very useful tool that we've hi-jacked. If you're going to use them, then you may as well use the correct ones - this may not be the one you learnt 20 years but may be the one someone else learnt 30 years ago or the one that someone learns today. Andrew.

Folks, Well, I made it back safely too (as various people from Taranaki and the Sth Island can vouch ). Been off sick since though which has been less than ideal, probably wasn't at my best on saturday either. There wasn't anything in the auction that interested the people I was with and since we had a two hour drive ahead we left early. Would've been good to chat with a few more people, sorry to those I missed. Anyway, a good effort by the Hawkes Bay club. It was good to see the long lost show stands being put to good use. I'm sure that now they've been found they'll get used a lot more. Andrew.

Goldie said... > ...A air pump .... Oh good, I need a new airpump for my brineshrimp hatchery See you all there. Looks like I'll be coming up for the day, arriving sometime in the early afternoon and heading home again late saturday night. Will have 3 other PNAS members with me (or, more accurately, I'll be with them , a couple of others (ie Cat and Mr Cat) are coming up independantly. Just hope I can get rid of this damn cold. Maybe a late night in town tonight will fix it...? ;-) Anyhow, I vote Caryl be in charge of organising a Fishroom gathering, maybe for a visit to Warrens? Andrew.

Cat said, of Caryl... > I will look out for a wingless, haloless, cloudless angel then. Oh yeah, about the 'angel' thing... ;-) Andrew.

Cuviceps said... > Medaka are another fish people are after. I forgot to say, 2 or 3 years ago some Oryzias spp were imported as a contaminant in with some Celebes rainbows. I only saw one such fish, does anyone know if they were bred and are still available? Andrew.

Dennis said... > ... someone esle told me u can not get them in nz Until about 10 days ago, I'd never seen them in NZ, only overseas. Then I visited a friend (not really a fishkeeper) in Wanganui who had some fish in a pond and since another friend was after some whiteclouds to breed I nabbed 20 or 30. When I got them home, I saw they were all the long finned mutant so I gave most to the person who wanted them originally and kept 8 or 10 for myself. The person in Wanganui has had the same stock for many years and I've had fish from him in the past and never seen any long finned ones. I guess this must be a recent mutation in his pond that has done better than the 'wild type' for some reason... The ones I kept are currently in another tank from my 'regular' WCMMs. I guess I should set up a couple of pairs to spawn... > (h)as any one ever seen gold aoxlotls in nz ?? Yep, a few years ago. Going for something like $50. Dunno if anyone is breeding them though. Andrew.

Cuviceps said... > Medaka are another fish people are after. I know at least one person breeding (in small numbers) Medaka. I'm supposed to be getting half a dozen Any Day Now Once I get my fishroom built, I intend to have a few unheated tanks in the garage for exactly these types of fish... Andrew.

Folks, Do people think there'd be any interest here in NZ for the long finned form of the White Cloud Mountain Minnow? I just happen to have some, you see, and am wondering how much effort I should put into propagating them... I'm not really a big fan of long finned fish and aren't sure I want to be responsible for them becoming available in NZ. Andrew.

Caryl said... > A volunteer for club treasurer Andrew! Grab them quick!!!!!!! This has been noted and recorded for later use ;-) Actually, Cat, the special AGM to sort things out is on October 30 at 3 Oriana Place in PN (off the bottom end of Tremaine Ave). Remind me this evening and I'll give you the appropriate bit of paper. > Introduce yourself at Napier Cat. Cat and I have, of course, already met. But, yes, it's a good idea for the Fishroom people to get together in Napier at some stage, it'll be the only chance before conference... Andrew.

Warren, you reading this? Can you let me know what fish Stuart took up for the auction? No need for me to bring any of my killies if he's already taken 6 bags of the same species up... Not that I had many to contribute anyway, mostly some Epiplatys dageti... Andrew.

Cat said... > Already got the form filled out and will be delivered in person this > evening! I'll be home by the time you finish work and will take your money (since PNAS is without a treasurer again at the moment). You can trust me My cell phone is 025 6868773 and it looks like I *may* be able to be in Napier for the day on saturday afterall... Andrew.

Caryl said... > What is YMMV Andrew? Your Mileage May Vary. It implies 'this works for me, try it - but don't blame me if something goes wrong...' Andrew.

Caryl said... > I have never seen Vallisneria flowering so would like to see it too. If it's small white flowers that are easily bruised, I'd bet it was Saggitaria rather than Vallisneria. Shops often get the two confused. There are several species of each. Andrew.