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eductors - think of these as velocity to volume convertors. They take high velocity water, like out of a pump, and output higher volume of water at a lower speed. Using an effect similar to Venturi. Layton

No one. But you're going to be spending something, and $600 will get you middle of the road common type of fish to have an average FO tank that size. If it was ME, I would probably spend double that easily on more uncommon fish.

I don't agree. Livestock is part of the cost of setting up a tank. Peoples stock list will be different, but you could expect to spend at least $600. Layton

Which is pointless and confusing. Here's a better idea. Tell them how to do it properly. Layton

plenty of things: Rock, Skimmer, livestock, bulbs.

Why would you exclude the skimmer. It is a requirement for a tank. It's like setting up a tank without water, it just doesn't work.

Glass prices have more than doubled recently One that actually works efficiently. Deltec. which are available in NZ. There are other good brands but you can't buy them here. That's not a lot of rock. Fish like clean water too. Rock is an important part to filtration. bulbs? You'll want a quality magnet for removing calcareous algae. A $12 magnet won't move this stuff. 200 watt heaters are $20 from Hutt Pet (or were) So two of those would do the trick. if you have access to it. Contamination is also free, but thats a different topic. :-) Not appropriate for saltwater. Salifert, JBL and Seachem are the only brands to consider. Yip tank does have to cycle. But you'll still be spending money on fish so it MUST be budgeted for. Sure people choose what fish they add, but they all cost money, so something has to be included to account for this.

Usually less than half that price.

Tank + Stand $600 + Sump (3foot) $100 Skimmer $600 + Plumbing $100 + Return pump $150 Rock 20kg $200 Lighting (Flouro) $200 Magnets / Nets $50 Refractometer $120 Heaters $60 Test kits (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH) $120 Gravel $50 Salt $100 Livestock $600 + Total $3050

YOU CAN NOT DO A TANK UNDER $500!!!!! What is the point in attempting to? Can someone just put this thread out of it's misery and kill it? Please.

email them to [email protected] and i can post them here. (I have some plenty of space where I can host them). Otherwise you'll need to sign up for a service like photobucket. Layton

I give up, there are some people that i'll just never be able to work out.

Go back to page 1. Reasoning for recommended minimum tank size, and equipment are explain there. No need to itemise a list of substandard equipment with prices, only to explain how it would be substandard for a beginner. Surely the logical thing would be to give a minimum recommendation for a successful beginner reef, explaining why items have been selected. Funnily enough much like how this thread started, before this rubbish. Layton

Sunday afternoons are usually good for me. Rotating round houses sounds good. More interesting seeing peoples tanks rather than shops ones I'd be happy to host in a month or two, once I finally get my house sorted. Layton

The reason is because it's pointless, incomplete, and completely unrelated to what someone who is starting out in this should be doing. Simple as that really. ???? Layton

Kalk is Calcium Hydroxide Draino is Sodium Hydroxide

misnoma, by your response above it appears that you have successfully passed the first test in this hobby... crap filtering. Congratulations Looks like you're on the right track. Layton

also, try not to get the solution on your hands, it causes some nasty chemical burns if left unattended, drys out your skin and it cracks. If you do get it on your skin (it will feel soapy and slippery) then wash with plenty of cold water. It won't do any harm. Layton

Just squirt directly on it, preferably in it's mouth, less than 0.5mL is plenty. Turbulence doesn't matter too much. Layton

Ha! Don't worry, you're not the only one who thinks i'm crazy using this. Draino is "100%" sodium hydroxide, sure it's probably contaminated with other stuff, but the quantities you are adding are so small it's insignificant. Why do I think it's safer than Kalk? well kalk does not dissolve much, so there is the potential for fish to pick at the paste, this could cause chemical burns for the fish, due to the low pH. Sodium hydroxide on the other hand is extremely soluble, forming a strongly alkaline solution, (pH close to 14) because it's so soluble, any which is not target injected near or in the aiptasia soon dissolves in surrounding water, being neutralised into sodium chloride (salt) and water. It's also more effective than kalk because the localised pH is much higher. Layton

Sodium Hydroxide (Draino) has work flawlessly for me. 1/6th the cost of Joe's Juice, safer and more efficient than kalk paste. Around $5 worth gets you enough to last you a lifetime of aiptasia nuking!

I'd be in. Name a time and place. Petworld? do people still go there? Layton

Stocking rates quoted like this are meaningless. It implies that you could put a 10" clown tang in a 180 Litre tank and it would be fine. Which is clearly not true. Layton

That's what I was thinking, yet hesitant to say.

There has to be some sort of budget for livestock. Also that pricing was clearly for a reef setup. as stated at the bottom, less for a fish only. Layton