Johannes Visser

These are the fish we have ! They have a some what yellow shimmer will see if we can get better pic's viewtopic.php?f=13&t=36023

Dont know what strain but here is a picture of the them, They are not very big male is prob 5cm female 4.5cm They have been in the shell for a few days now Johannes did a gravel vack and saw one fry ! removed the shell and HEY lot more come out :bounce: :bounce: lets hope we can get them bigger :roll:

Sorry should have said they not comps but yes they are Calvus just removed our first batch :bounce: :bounce: :bounce:

I dont have Alto's but we do have ............. :roll: :roll: Your Hot Hot but not 100% :roll:

LOL Funny they are fry !! :bounce: :bounce:

:-? wrong guess again :bounce:

Okay they are not From Lake Malawi :-? and are not Tropheus what are they ??

will be interesting :roll: I need to get a equivalent for clout but need to match the main/ active ingredient 100% as all the other ingredients not needed will course more harm than good. Meds should always be used as a last resort as they do damage the internal organs of the fish in many instances. :-? Have put in a order for some from the states and hope I get it!

UV filtration is great but as far as I understand protozoans are internal :roll:

wow well done !

Dito :roll:

LOL Vicks 44 :roll: :lol: THE BIG MOVE STRESS Was dew to water quality/ condition /Copper levels that were too high etc in the new house /Tanks (landscape) that were not set up as they were previously Have a number of meds now and working on obtaining something like clout ! Interesting read http://users.bigpond.net.au/steve.corbe ... bloat.html Combined Regime "Malawi bloat" is a disease perptuated by microscopic flagellates (parasites) that are commonly found in healthy fish. These one-celled protozoans reproduce by binary fission. They can occur on the skin, in the intestine, internal organs, and in the blood of fish. Intestinal flagellates can be found in many fish which they do not harm. The pathogenicity of the organism varies from fish to fish. Thus, Angelfish may not be affected at all by the same flagellates that damage say a Discus. The intestines of these fish can contain millions of flagellates averaging in size of about 8-12 microns. Here is a list of some commonly known flagellates: A. Hexamita B. Spironucleus c. Trichomanas D. Bodamonas E. Protoopalina The most recognized are the first two. Most researchers support the view that some of these protozoans reside in the intestines of healthy fish (dormant), but can proliferate to harmful numbers under stressful conditions. Here is a recent quote from Ad Konings from his book Back to Nature Guide to Malawi Cichlids 2nd. edition pg. 46: "Malawi Bloat is believed to be caused by a flagellate (a unicellular animal, a protozoan). This flagellate occurs in the intestines of all Malawi cichlids but normally causes no harm since the fish's immune system can cope with it. However, in a stressful situation such a balance may disappear and the fish may lose its resistance against an outbreak of a flagellate "attack". This often leads to bloat." Fish are very good at fighting off disease, but when exposed to stressful conditions over a lengthy periods of time their immune systems weaken, thereby exposing them to the possibility of contracting various diseases. Under "stress" the organism multiplies causing considerable localised damage. Once severe enough, the intestinal lining is penetrated and the organism enters the blood causing systemic and organ infections. In large numbers they can block the intestinal tract of a fish creating the"bloat"effect. Some stressors: 1. Low oxygen (O2) levels 2. High nitrite (NO2) levels 3. High nitrate (NO3) levels 4. High ammonia levels (NH3) 5. High or low temperature levels 6. Water pH 7. Lighting 8. Rough handling fish 9. Overcrowding 10. Not enough shelter 11. Harassment 12. Excessive salt 13. Improper diet (specifically herbivores) What one should remember, is that the parasitical outbreak is brought upon by any number of stressors (some listed above), many times in conjunction with one another. Therefore, sometimes the best way to treat a disease is to prevent it from ever happening. A clean non-stressful environment will breed colorful, thriving cichlids. If they get bloat from diet, is this in fact something different from bloat due to internal parasites? No. They are one in the same. Diet in this case being the "stressor". Is bloat only caused by these parasites, which in turn only become a problem if the fish is too stressed, which in turn can result from any number of causes, including diet, excess salts, etc? As far as what has been proven, yes. Although, some tend to argue bloat can be bacterial in nature. I tend to agree with experts who feel bacterial complications are secondary in occurance only after the parasite has intially infiltrated the host. Breeding aggression will bring about the protozoans problems..

LOL for Bloat ! It not easy as we are not able to abtain the right meds in NZ for the fish !

We keep only one species per tank. Our tanks range in size we have a colony for 12 Adult T Dubs in a 5 foot and our Caramba's are also in a 5foot They are happy and breeding well I have young in the tanks all the time. Also have 6 foots one with Ikola one with FireFox (26) my biggest colony is Bulu Points and they are in a 8foot Ikola are and have been the most aggressive as we don't have a big enough colony to spread the aggression we constantly have to monitor them. :-? One word of advise make sure you have all meds you need at hand, in case of a emergency had we had some when we needed it I bet our Pembas would be alive and well now the key is to have BIG colonies Pictures below http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m151 ... /Tropheus/ http://s103.photobucket.com/albums/m151/JDVisser_2006/

Some of mine Tropheus Moorii Moliro they are only 4.5-5.5cm

Considering what he paid I bet fry will not cost peanuts!! :roll:

Any info would be nice thanks Just growing them at the stage not to conerned to get them to breed yet they are only 4-5.5cm now

We have the Fish in the first picture they are Calvis they have not bred yet :lol: I have had to save them from a branical shell just yesterday :evil: Shell is in a hundred bits :roll: fish are okay ( was so stressfull ) Yes there are Alto comp fry they belong to a close friend whom I convinced to buy the Altos from A Proficy at a hell of a price He has 5 and all three females are breeding with the dominant male. The sub male is just part of the furniture !

Just wanted to make it clear as not every one would know what was bought and sold :-?

Just need to state the fish are Altolamprologus compressiceps Not Calvis :roll:

Stand in line I am first

Not me not mine by there are fry heaps ! My altos showing sign of spawning but they are still too young ! Those in the know will know !! :roll:

:bounce: :bounce: That would spoil it !

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