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I just read back through this post after doing some tests on my tank last night. calcium is highish at 480 (reactor needs fine tuning to pull this back slightly), mg low at 1050 (so added some mag to raise this) but mostly my alk is way low at around 4. even so, the tank is doing/looking well and nothing is looking out of the ordinary. im going to bake some baking soda tonight and add to the tank to raise this up. i think i remember reading high ca and low alk or visa versa is quite common problem. whats the best way to maintain good levels of alk other than daily/weekly dosing of something like baking soda? also remember reading something about good mg levels sustaining alk and ca at correct levels? is this right?

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What brand is the carbon.. sometimes on cheaper carbon the dust gets into the tank and the corals hate it.

I put my carbon before my skimmer so any dust just gets skimmed out, works really well.

Hope this helps

Cheers

Also what is KH?

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ALK and CA (sorry CS is a typo) are bound to each other, Layton I am sure can explain. As I understand it to have ALK that low and CA that high it means you have large PH fluctations (effecting the test scores) as normally you can pick exactly what your ALK is by testing CA and knowing the PH or know exactly what the CA is by testing the ALK.

4 is WAY too low for ALK, and if your are experancing slow coral growth, poor colour or even death or deteriation of some corals, outbreaks of Algae you will know why. Chemical imballance.

Layton - consider this an invitation to come and get all scientific on my behalf.

Piezola

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no poor colour, no slow growth, no coral death. i tested twice coz i thought i stuffed it up first time, same results both times.

since kh is low, it makes sense that my post a couple of weeks ago about such a low pH is not a faulty pH monitor or reading as stated by others, but in fact a correct reading due to such a low kH (ie: little 'buffering' capacity thus larger pH swings) This is a little concerning - questions:

1. Can you use baking soda to increase kH up to normal levels in one hit or should it be done gradually?

2. Is it crucial to bake it first or can it just be added as is?

3. Is the dosing cracker posted on the first page about right? (1 heaped teaspoon for 300 litres of water to raise kH by 2)

Cheers

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Quick changes in KH have been attribrited to RTN.

I'd take it slowly. Everything i've read about adding baking soda saying bake it.

I'd water change my problems away, chances are you problem exists because of you CA Reactor not setup or running properly.

Pie

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I'd water change my problems away

Just did a 20% water change last week, and a 15% change 1 week before that.

chances are you problem exists because of you CA Reactor not setup or running properly

I would think so too, the CO2 ran out a few weeks ago but I left it drip feeding the tank. I think it got an excess dosing of CO2 because even after the CO2 bottle was disconnected, I shake the reactor and CO2 bubbles float up through the media.

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If you add unbaked baking soda, it will dissapate some Co2 into the water and cause a temporary drop in PH, however this only lasts until the Co2 has reached equilibrium again, with a smallish amount of baking soda it is not a great concern. Baking the baking soda rmoves this Co2 so that baked baking soda will not have this effect.

Agree with Pies, you may get away with a sudden hike in KH, but gradual will be better.

My non scientific approach for a tank your size would be to daily add 2 heaped teaspoons of baking soda dissolved in a liter or two of water. Add slowly, to a high flow area. After a few days, KH will be where you want it.

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Layton - consider this an invitation to come and get all scientific on my behalf.

Piezola

Since when have I ever needed an invitation to say what I want :wink:

Ca and Alk are indirectly related through pH. Then magnesium and clacium are more closely related.

Calcium is supersaturated in seawater, ready for precipitation at any small trigger. Magnesium helps prevent this precipitation by poisioning crystals of calcium carbonate to prevent runaway precipitation (or the snow storm effect)

Magnesium should be 3 times the calcium level. The lower it is, the easier it is for calcium levels to drop through precipitation.

pH also effect the solubility of calcium in seawater, which is linked to alkalinity in that the lower the alkalinity, the easier it is for the pH to change.

Then if calcium is dropping through low calcium, it also drags down alkalinity, which makes it easier for changes in pH to occur, which just increases the precipitation of calcium out of the water. This sort of positive feedback is something to avoid!

The interactions between these parameters are relatively complex. I wouldn't want to be doing any sort of quantitative analysis on it!

As for how quickly you can change alkalinity, well at one point I was increasing it in one go by 2-3 dkH daily. The biggest I changed was

4 dkH in a day.

I noticed at around 5 and 6dKH corals were severely affected.

Layton

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cheers, in plain english would have been nicer :wink:

its extremely convenient that I am going to queenstown for 5 days tomorrow morning. right when i should be dosing to get my kH back up! timing is typical of my luck. i only decided to test last night because i am going away, had no reason to believe the tank had bad water chemistry :(

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