LYNDYLOO Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Hi Guys, I have finally got a breeding pair of Angels again , some of you may not remember, but back in September last year, I had a breeding pair of Angels,that had laid eggs on the power filter, so I moved Mum Dad and the Eggs out of the 4ft comm tank and into a 2ft tank by themselves, the Eggs had got to the wriggler stage, then I got up one morning to find Mum Dad and the Wrigglers all DEAD, I'm not wanting this to happen again so any advice would be great, thought I might give the 2ft tank a good clean and leave it as a BB Tank, I will go tomorrow and get another heater and a small sponge filter to place in the 2ft tank, then I was going to syphon water from my 4ft tank which is where Mum Dad and the Eggs are at the moment and place this into the 2ft, as they have laid on the power filter thats in the 4ft Comm Tank, I thought I might take that out and place it in the 2ft tank (unplugged)until the Eggs get to the wriggler stage then I can take the unplugged filter out. Can anyone see any reason why this would cause a problem to my Breeding Pair and the Eggs, any advice would be great, I have left the tank light on tonight, so Mum and Dad can see their eggs and guard them from the other fishies in the tank. I'm really wanting this lot ot survive. Thanks Lynda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanksman Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 What sort of power filter is in your four footer? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanksman Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 A new sponge filter will need to be cycled first. You will need to do this by operating it for at least a week in the community tank. My advice - Leave everything as is but get a sponge filter ready as above and provide them with a spawning surface that can easily be removed. You cannot take out the power filter this time so hope for the best until the are free swimming and can be netted out. The hard part will be getting future spawns by this pair that are not laid on the power filter. Someone may have some advice on what they will like better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Hi Lynda, A two footer is quite adequate to spawn them in. Also the bare bottom tank is the best option. They need something to spawn on... and the best thing I have found is a 40mm piece of Marley plastic water pipe. Cut this at an angle at the bottom so that you can prop it up in one corner and hold the angled end in place with a couple of suction cups. It needs to be sloping at around 30 to 45deg... and be held firmly in place. The small sponge filter is ideal.. and personally I wouldn't bother if it was cycled or not.. as you will be using water from your other tank.. so it will soon contain some benificial bacteria. Can almost guarantee that they will start cleaning it within the hour.. and if in condition.. will spawn the following day. It's important not to feed the fry until they are "fully" free swiming and have consumed all the egg sac.. then the best food is newly hatched brine shrimp. Hope it works out. Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 14, 2006 Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 I used 100mm x 100mm peice of roof slate with a couple of stainless steel hooks glued on with RTV. Angels will generally spawn near the top of the tank. They should lay again in 10-14 days if well fed. Soak the eggs in methylene blue for 5 mins then remove to clean water and place an air stone close to the eggs but not with the bubbles touching them. feed when the young swarm. You don't need to cycle the tank as this will happen as the fry develop. A bare tank is best with the water leval not too high to encourage them to eat the food off the bottom. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LYNDYLOO Posted January 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 14, 2006 Thanks for the info Guys, will give it another shot and see if I have any luck this time. Tanksman: The Filter is a Resun 1000L/Hr Pegasus: Thanks for the tip about the Marley Spouting will give that a shot to. Alanmin: You mentioned to soak the eggs in Methelyne Blue for 5 mins, how much of this should I be using , don't want to kill them. Once again thanks for the help. Lynda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 To be honest I have never measured it, but you can use it quite strong but so you can still see through it. It will dye any infertile eggs blue and will stop the spread of fungus from infertile eggs. Some people add malachite green and/or acraflavine as well. It is optional. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 To be honest I have never measured it, but you can use it quite strong but so you can still see through it. It will dye any infertile eggs blue and will stop the spread of fungus from infertile eggs. Some people add malachite green and/or acraflavine as well. It is optional. But... but... You would only use the MB if you decided to hatch the eggs away from the parents Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanksman Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Why Bill? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LYNDYLOO Posted January 15, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Thanks for the Tips Guys. I have left everything as it is and just letting Mum and Dad do what they think they should be doing at the moment, they seemed to have the corner of the tank where the power filter is, guarded well, so at this stage I will leave them to be, if I start seeing them eat the Eggs, then I may have to intervene. Probably alot easier to move them at the egg stage rather than at the fry stage, I must admit. Should I be leaving a light on for these guys at night time? Once again Thanks for the great advice. Lynda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Tanksman asks: Why Bill? Why... Exactly.. Why dose a tank with Methelene Blue cobntaining Adults and fry (or just eggs even).. if there is no need to. Methelene Blue is one of the major stainers of all the meds that we use, and tanks treated with it will end up with permanent blue seams. Hatching eggs separately is real easy.. but then you miss the joy of watching the adults care for the eggs and fry. Hi Lynda, Should I be leaving a light on for these guys at night time? I usually run a small car bulb running from a plug in power pack, and find that the yeild is far greater if the parents are able to see what is happening during the night. Bill. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tanksman Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 Soak the eggs in methylene blue for 5 mins then remove to clean water and place an air stone close to the eggs but not with the bubbles touching them. feed when the young swarm. A good idea I'd have thought Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted January 15, 2006 Report Share Posted January 15, 2006 You have to do what works for you. I was breeding angels, not watching the parents eat some/ leave some. If the parents are there and not eating the eggs they will clean any fungus off and remove infertile eggs. This is what often starts them eating the eggs. These chemicals only stop fungus spreading to good eggs. I had most success hatching them in tap water (but I am in Christchurch and the water is not treated) Because it is under preasure in the mains it has more dissolved air. I put the slates into small tanks 150mm x 150mm made for the purpose then larger tanks when the are free swimming. I was in a fish house where the room was heatd so I didn't have to worry about elements. Try different things and go with what works for you. Good luck. The next trick is to pick the genes of your breeders so you get many different types from each pair. It is easier to sell many varieties than one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LYNDYLOO Posted January 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Hi Guys. I got some wrigglers :bounce: :bounce: , Mum and Dad doing a great job, Dad very protective of his bubbies :evil: :evil: , lets hope we can get them to the next stage, fins crossed, still not sure if I should interverne and take them out of the 4ft Comm Tank and place them into a 2ftr or not , don't want the fry to get eaten by the other fishies in the Comm Tank when they become free swimming, I read that I should be feeding these bubbies BBS when they become free swimming, is this live dried or frozen BBS? Once again thanks for the help guys. Lynda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Good one LL Take them out and raise them separately. Leave M&D behind and expect them to fight, blaming one another for your abduction of their babies. If you want M&D to raise them, spawn them in a species specific b/b-tank. Live BBS once they are swimming, properly. Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LYNDYLOO Posted January 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Alan, I dont have any LIVE BBS, and cant get hold of any, what else would you recommend I feed these fry, once the are free swimming? All I have is Tetramin Baby Powdered Food or Liquifry Livebearer Baby Food. Lynda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted January 16, 2006 Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Emulsified hen egg yolk that has been hard boiled. But watch it, you need water canges and snails as poo-patrollers. Micro worms, but they don't stay in the water column. What do you mean you can't get BBS, you get eggs and hatch your requirements. I just did three tspns of it myself. Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LYNDYLOO Posted January 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Sorry Alan, I meant I don't have any, and if i bought some off TradeMe, by the time they get here may be tooo late for when I need them, can you buy these at any Petshop, somehow I don't think My Petshop has them. Lots of Wrigglers now, only about 10 eggs that have turned white and no fungus, may have to do the swap over to the 2ft tank tonight. M & D doing a excellent job, feel abit like I'm cheating them out of their bubbies really, Yes go one say it, "YOU ARE" :lol: :lol: ,might put a piece of spouting in the tank like Pegasus suggested,and hopefully they may lay again on that this time, maybe I could let them take care of the next lot. Cheers Lynda :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LYNDYLOO Posted January 16, 2006 Author Report Share Posted January 16, 2006 Hi Guys, Just a quick update on my Angel Fry, everything going really well, this pair are doing a wonderful job, M&D have now moved the bubbies from the side of the power filter to the top, have had no fungused eggs and everything going great. Was going to move bubbies into 2ft tank last night but decided to leave them where they are, but I guess it's probably better to move them before they become free swimming. Have some pics here that I will post as soon as I work out how to post them. Lynda Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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