wasp Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 :roll: That's why I used quotes. Layton Using quotes will justify the splitting of hairs? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 I see. Special fish parasites that can survive months in storage by surviving on copepods and other zoo plankton. Please name these parasites, with examples of the local tanks they have showed up in, as we use NSW here. I'm always keen to learn something new. Jees, i'm not talking about NSW and whether or not it contains parasites around NZ water which are likely to infect our tanks! All i'm saying is that leaving water for three weeks is not going to necessarily make any difference to the number of parasites or bacteria in it. It certainly won't result in a massive decline in them, IF they are present. http://www.holar.is/~aquafarmer/node134.html Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Jees, i'm not talking about NSW and whether or not it contains parasites around NZ water which are likely to infect our tanks! Layton Great. It's a bit like pulling teeth, but eventually the truth will out! I was under the misconception that you believed the myth that it depends on the life cycle and type of parasite. Wonder what ever made me think you believed that? Depends on the life cycle and type of parasite. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 It's only twelve, and i'm already reaching for the whiskey... You really have no idea what i'm saying do you? Absolutely no clue whatsoever. Whether a parasite dies in under three weeks absolutely DOES depend on the type and it's life cycle. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 It's only twelve, and i'm already reaching for the whiskey... its vodka layton v.o.d.k.a Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 its vodka layton v.o.d.k.a :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brianemone Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Each type of parasite is usually very selective in infesting only one fish species or types that are closely related i found that interesting Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 Yes, many parasites are very selective of their hosts. That's why Ich is an interesting one, as it hosts on a wide variety of species. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted December 13, 2005 Report Share Posted December 13, 2005 You really have no idea what i'm saying do you? Absolutely no clue whatsoever. Layton Yes I think you're right. Seems that, whiskey and all, you are a fountain of knowledge on parasites, although you forgot to answer my question, perhaps it was the vodka. Here it is again quote "I see. Special fish parasites that can survive months in storage by surviving on copepods and other zoo plankton. Please name these parasites, with examples of the local tanks they have showed up in, as we use NSW here. I'm always keen to learn something new." It's just that your remark here Depends on the life cycle and type of parasite. Layton was intended to imply that these parasites are a problem to us using NSW in NZ, as that is what we are talking about. I'm a curious fellow, what are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 /me cringes and waits for a barrage of links... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Here it is again quote "I see. Special fish parasites that can survive months in storage by surviving on copepods and other zoo plankton. Please name these parasites, with examples of the local tanks they have showed up in, as we use NSW here. I'm always keen to learn something new." I'm by no means a "fountain of knowledge on parasites". They are not "special" parasites at all. Some examples of fish parasites which have intermediate hosts are: Proteocephalus spp. Diphylobothrium spp. Many species of tape worm, and nematode worms. All capable of using copepods as intermediate hosts. As for cases in NZ, who knows. How many people get fish lab analysed for cause of death? Even if you did, you couldn't attribute the cause of death to using NSW, as you would have to have know that the fish was parasite free on introduction to the tank. That's something you can not do practically. But this is a digression, i'm not talking about NSW. Just the statement that water left for 3 weeks would kill a lot of parasites and bacteria, and be more benificial than adding it straight away. Nothing more. It's a point that seems to be missed on you. Also why is it that i'm always answering your questions, yet you won't even answer a single one of mine? And i'm sure you're capable of looking for this info yourself for once, how about doing that before you ask these questions? It's just that your remark here was intended to imply that these parasites are a problem to us using NSW in NZ, as that is what we are talking about. You may have intended it to imply that. I didn't. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 yes you did Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 ahh, no I didn't. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Are we talking about sea water or not? You mentioned Proteocephalus spp. It is a FRESH water parasite. Just don't like to see this misinformation being spread. I don't like misinformation being spread. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Some examples of fish parasites which have intermediate hosts are: Proteocephalus spp. Diphylobothrium spp. Many species of tape worm, and nematode worms. All capable of using copepods as intermediate hosts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 In other words, a wasted, or misinformed post. Had nothing to do with the subject, natural seawater. Have another whiskey It'll clear your head Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 In other words, a wasted, or misinformed post. Not wasted or misinformed all. Keep looking. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Also, since you now claim you are NOT talking about parasites in NZi'm not talking about NSW and whether or not it contains parasites around NZ Layton Are we to assume there is no further need to bother discussing it? Seeing as we are in NZ? I'm trying to figure what you are talking about. NZ/not NZ, fresh water/salt water. The issue appears rather confused to say the least. I thought we had the same parasites as overseas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 You take absolutely everything I say totally out of context. It's pointless even trying to discuss things with you. It's just ludicrous. You interpretation skills need a LOT of work. Lucky you aren't involved in a science or engineering field. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 Also, since you now claim you are NOT talking about parasites in NZ Are we to assume there is no further need to bother discussing it? Seeing as we are in NZ? This just confirms that you have no clue what i've been saying. As usual for some reason, you have in your mind i'm saying one thing, when in reality i'm saying something very different. You completely degrade threads on here when you do this. HERE is what i'm saying AGAIN: i'm not talking about NSW. Just the statement that water left for 3 weeks would kill a lot of parasites and bacteria, and be more benificial than adding it straight away. Nothing more. It's a point that seems to be missed on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 You interpretation skills need a LOT of work. Layton Think what they say about computers. Garbage in, garbage out. And trying to say you are not talking about NZ, we are talking about fresh water, etc, well, I'll be kind and not say garbage, but, well, confusion perhaps induced by vodka. That's v.o.d.k.a. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 is this thread not titled "natural sea water????" does natural mean its from the ocean? hang on, have i misinterpreted something here? am i supposed to have salt in my tank? i need a vodka, my head doesnt hurt enough from reading this crap. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 i'm not talking about NSW. Just the statement that water left for 3 weeks would kill a lot of parasites and bacteria, and be more benificial than adding it straight away. Nothing more. It's a point that seems to be missed on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 i'm not talking about NSW. The rest of us are. The thread is titled natural salt water. That's - Natural. Salt. Water. So that's why what you say does not apply to Natural Salt Water, you are "not talking about natural salt water". :lol: To re-focus on the origional point of dissent, I merely pointed out that I have yet to be told of a SALTwater fish parasite that can survive several months with no host. Don't see why there is a major problem with that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted December 14, 2005 Report Share Posted December 14, 2005 To re-focus on the origional point of dissent, I merely pointed out that I have yet to be told of a SALTwater fish parasite that can survive several months with no host. Don't see why there is a major problem with that. Well it's wrong, that's the problem. Keep searching. My posts apply to saltwater. Your just confusing yourself trying to prove me wrong. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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