Skimmer test

[chimera]

so true :lol:

[wasp]

I think that's true.

Layton

Well Hey! we're in agreement!!!

Something I said is actually true!!

First time for everything :lol: :lol: :lol:

[reef]

sure you dont

yes i dont make much. especially if you take the hours i spend on the hobby.

I did not see you do much on the MAF list. just left for someone else to do.

[Brianemone]

again whats that got to do with it?

if you wanted a picture of my clown fish why didnt you ask????

[reef]

My point is I don’t have to do any of this crap. I do it to promote the hobby with quality equipment, I got better things to with my life then listen to people who do nothing for the hobby and then accuse me of rubbishing a skimmer to promote my own.

Even if i put a deltec in tonight and show photos i will be accused of doing something to the Beckett to stop it from working.

[Pies]

If becketts are so good then i would have had one 5 years ago.

Didn't you have one 2 years ago? A DIY becket you had made and ran that for a while? I remember you posting pics telling us all how well it worked?

I have owned 2 skimmers, the first was a Deltec, the 2nd is a Deltec. If I ever decide to upgrade (Reef, sell me the 1004!) it will be to a Deltec. Although I have no experance with others, i've seen them in operation and helped lots of people set them up. None of what i've seen would make me change my mind and move away from the Deltec.

Piezola

[wasp]

Becketts work well it is rare to find a user who is not happy with them.

They must by design, create bubbles of many different sizes. This causes more "chaos" in the reaction chamber than in a needlewheel, and less efficient skimming than an even bubble size would produce. On the other hand, for those who are into "wet" skimming, many becketts can be set quite low, and the irregular bubble size can cause some spitting at the top of the riser tube, allowing pretty effective wet skimming.

But there is no question that a Beckett will require a powerful pump and more electricity to run it that a similarly rated needlewheel skimmer.

While I've never seen much comment from owners saying they did not like their beckett, I have seen over the last year or two several comments on RC from people who have switched from a becket to a needlewheel, saying they are happier with the needlewheel.

However Bomber, the owner of arguably the most famous tank in the world, ( why I don't know ), has a beckett, and swears by it.

[lduncan]

I've never seen any real complaints about the becketts either. (Other than Steve Weast's post, and a few others about becketts blocking)

However Bomber, the owner of arguably the most famous tank in the world, ( why I don't know ), has a beckett, and swears by it.

He also doesn't like needlewheels (deltec's). I disagree with him on that point.

I think his has also been modified to skim "better" if I remember correctly.

I don't think it was as "plug and play" as a skimmer should be.

Layton

[Jimmy]

i only sell the best and dont sell things like some to make money.

So Reef, You would be more than happy to start selling Deltecs for no profit at all????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

[Fay]

Jimmy Posted: Sat Dec 03, 2005 6:13 am Post subject:

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i only sell the best and dont sell things like some to make money.

So Reef, You would be more than happy to start selling Deltecs for no profit at all????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Why the hell would he want to do that.

Some people are over the top, why do you all have to jump down reefs throat, just let him get on with his test.

You can take or leave the results without being insulting!!!

I love my DELTEC

Reef you have nothing to prove we know the Deltec are the best.

[Fay]

reef

Joined: 01 Aug 2002

Posts: 1782

Location: auckland

Posted: Fri Dec 02, 2005 9:39 pm Post subject:

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To be fair ( on all I hope ) there is nothing to stop Reef selling any kind of skimmer he wants. If he thought Becketts were the best he'd be selling them, but he thinks Deltec is, so he sells that.

You are on the money. i only sell the best and dont sell things like some to make money. i sell because i want hobbyist to have the best equipment available.

AND my tank is proof that i know what i am talking about.

If becketts are so good then i would have had one 5 years ago.

Reef

Have you forgotten about the TUNZE you sold me for $600 that was absolute CRAP

[raeh1]

I would love to see the two skimmers side by side going for it in a test.

A pic a day for two weeks, skim stuff tipped into two labeled containers for conparision.

If you could do that reef it would be interesting.

As for making money Reef your prices are sharp (very good) and if you can make money on those mark ups then good on you.

I was very happy with my deltec price.

Like buying a porshe for a BMW's price.

[Jimmy]

Fay i am not jumping down anyones throat. I am simply asking a question!

[reef]

Didn't you have one 2 years ago? A DIY becket you had made and ran that for a while? I remember you posting pics telling us all how well it worked?

It was not a beckett, used a mazzi venturi,

And for rubbishing a beckett skimmer?? Where did I say this? ??

I even mentioned that it was too soon to tell as the skimmer needs time to run in. but you cant mistake the bubble size as they are quiet large compared to a needle wheel skimmer. Maybe a bigger pump is required.?

[Jimmy]

How can i compare when i dont even know how much you are even selling them for.

[slappers]

As for making money Reef your prices are sharp (very good) and if you can make money on those mark ups then good on you.

I was very happy with my deltec price.

Like buying a porshe for a BMW's price.

well done rach1 same here very happy with mine too

[jetskisteve]

To Claify. Deltecs are a copy of H&S, In Germany the majority use H&S Deltec is not that well known.

But really as long as they are a good price-who cares, I have 3 AP902's coming

[reef]

To Claify. Deltecs are a copy of H&S, In Germany the majority use H&S Deltec is not that well known.

Sounds like slander to me.

[jetskisteve]

:roll: Hows the new job

[cracker]

Hows about a pic of your tank Jetski.....Ive never seen it.

Must be awesome if you've got 3 huge skimmers coming.

[chimera]

Why the hell would he want to do that.

Some people are over the top, why do you all have to jump down reefs throat, just let him get on with his test.

You can take or leave the results without being insulting!!!

I love my DELTEC

Reef you have nothing to prove we know the Deltec are the best.

Fay, I dont see at any stage Jimmy bagging Deltec's? He simply asked the question about how would reef "be more than happy to start selling Deltecs for no profit all?". If he says he's not in it for the money....(shall i quote for you???)

i only sell the best and dont sell things like some to make money. i sell because i want hobbyist to have the best equipment available

So why does he offer me a Deltec AP902 for over $2k+ when I know for a fact that his buy price is considerably lower than this? That sounds like he's in it for profit - and understandably, its an import business. But comments like that quoted above is just bullshit and a complete sales pitch. Say it like it is.

Jimmy - a completely fair question if you ask me.

[Jimmy]

Thanks

[ocean werx]

Would really love to see such a comparison.

Ocean Werx has never claim that our beckett skimmers are better than a deltec or worse than a deltec. We don't have the proper facilities to run such a complete, unbiased test (accompanied with lab certs).

In Singapore, we also have 2 leagues of reefers who swear by their needlewheel / beckett skimmers. In my most honest opinion, each has its own advantages.

http://www.sgreefclub.com/forum/index.p ... rison&st=0

The thread that was started in Sgreef club is also similar, a distributor of Deltec claiming superiority over beckett skimmers. I must admit that deltec really has very supportive distributors all around the world.

All are based very much on preference. If one like and can afford a Porche / Ferrari, my advise is to get it.

If you think a Japanese engine is good enough for your tank, use it.

If you think a bicycle can get you from point A to point B too, why bother spending?

Nonetheless, I believe everyone will be keen on seeing the comparison. However, a point to note, I guess most of us, would love an UNBIASED comparison.

Cappucino anyone?

[reef]

The quote I made was written incorrectly as I was meant to say I don’t sell things for the sake of it to make money. I aim to only sell quality products, you don’t see me selling cheap stuff to make a buck.

Hobbyist don’t understand the difference between gross profit and net profit. They are vastly different. Net profit allows for expenses and interest.

Sure you purchased the skimmer at a cheap price but Exchange rates have changed quite a lot in the last 3 months (about $400), which you have not even taken, into account.

Then there is also GST to pay on the final sale price and various other charges.

For example air freight is a killer when doing it in bulk as you got so many additional charges it is hard to keep up vs a few items through the post office.

What about warranty?? For example i had to get a new pump for a Deltec as it was faulty?? so who pays for this? replacement pumps dont arrive with fresh air.

I stated the thread to test a Beckett skimmer and can’t see were i bagged the Beckett, all I stated was that the bubble size was larger and testing was in early stage. I even did not mention Deltec .

The whole post has turned to custard again due to ill informed hobbyist, why don’t you focus your energy in doing something useful like stopping the quarantine period for marines increasing to 4 weeks or try to get fish medication approved.

The last maf project turned to crap, as all the moaners again did nothing to improve the allowable list.

Some people have spent weeks on this project for no gain. Who pays for this?? Who pays for the, ink, paper, toll call etc???

As usual it is always left to a select few who want to make a difference.

Actually I would challenge the moaners to actually list something they have done to improve the hobby?

What ever i write will go in one ear and out the next. so it is a waste of time me writing this response. But I wrote it anyway.

[Pies]

The last maf project turned to crap, as all the moaners again did nothing to improve the allowable list.

The whole project was a waste of time, it had nothing to do with the people, it was doomed to failure from day one and the best thing we could have all done was collectivly refused to partake until MAF devised a more sensiable process.

Some people have spent weeks on this project for no gain. Who pays for this?? Who pays for the, ink, paper, toll call etc???

If anyone has to part with money it should be those who benifit from the hobby financially. Its the people selling the stock who stand to get something out of it, so it stands to reason they should be the ones who are paying for it.

I enjoy this hobbie and most of the people i've had the good fortune to meet since I started. But its not a life obsession for me.

Actually I would challenge the moaners to actually list something they have done to improve the hobby?

? Comments like this make me angry. I've written articles for the FNZAS magizine, I partake on this site, I invite people into my home and loan them my books and magizines. Just because you sell equipment/livestock for money doesn't mean you support the hobby, it means you feed from it.

Pie