Brianemone Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 i have doubts that it can completly be eradicated, but i we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted November 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 it will work...just may take time, dedication and patience.....I can do that. picking up my freshly built hospital, QT, Dip tank today. i cant afford to have another wipe out in a 1400 litre tank. smaller tanks are easier to manage if hit by ICH. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Im going to treat the tank two or three times over a year so as to help get rid of the original issue, with "stop parasite". QT every new fish for 6 weeks. (week one =0, week 2 and 3 = copper, following weeks = 0). "Reef dip" every rock, coral, shell, zoo or whatever before it goes in. That may do it. But it will more than likely take many many months. then Im going to prove my point by adding a powder blue tang as my last fish and show it getting zero whitespot. Unfortunately that won't prove that there is no ich in your tank. All it will mean is that the powder blue didn't noticeably contract it. I've added a powder blue to my tank, it never had any outbreak of ich, but I know ich is in my tank. That's what i mean by it not being a problem with calm and happy fish. Dump a lot of fish into a new environment quickly, and your going to have problems. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted November 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 im suprised you PBT didnt get it...however the last comment I agree with! wont be doing that again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossco Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Hi guys What do you mean by 'reef dip'? That was one of the parts of the process I was having difficult with when working out my quarantine procedure. If trying to get a SW up and going how do we introduce the coral types without ich going along for a ride? Ideally they should be put in isolation tank as well but then you have the additional problem of trying to keep them going with good enough lighting etc... Applying my experience of other 'stock' this eradication is a toughy but may be do able. Some issues to deal with for me: - sub-clinical (non-observable) forms of the 'disease'. In most animals (even humans) many diseases only presents itself when the animal's immunity is low eg we all have bacteria affecting us now that is being suppressed. Stress is one of the best ways to reduce natural resistance. Ich will be able to cycle without us knowing. - many of even the best of drug treatments only deal with the MAJORITY of the population - enough for the affected animal to recover and restore its natural 'balance'. We also have to be careful we don't breed 'super' ich by TOO MUCH treatment - the tough ones getting tougher. - Any ecosystem is exactly that - a system. Every action to it has a reaction. I am rapidly learning a natural balance in a SW tank is the best way to 'manage' the tank. Management by non-management! Its great to be able to share our thinking and sometimes agree to disagree! Don't ya just hate newbies putting their 5c worth in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted November 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 "Seachem reef dip". dip all LR and corals in the solution for 5 to 10 minutes and throw them in your tank directly afterwards. It is a coral disinfectant that will kill all parasitic diseases, plus others that may be attached to them. one bottle will last for years! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossco Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Cool - another dilemma knocked over! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feelers Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 I dont know much about ICH but I would imagine that getting rid of every last one would be near impossible. Similar organisms can live for years in a dormant state, so I dont see why ich would be an exception. Also if you use NSW wouldnt that be a potential place to get the infection from? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Can't live in any stage without a fish for more than 6 weeks. Can't survive in a tank even with fish, for more than 10 - 11 months, unless new "bloodlines" are introduced. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Also if you use NSW wouldnt that be a potential place to get the infection from? I think you hit the nail on the head, NSW would contain many parasites and bactaria. Many parasites will coexist with fish and only become a problem if fish gets stressed. in other words many factors can contribute to the reduced resistance of fish. Crytocaryon is almost always present in aquarium water. Whitespot usually develops after drastic ,temporary changes in water environment,such as overheating or cooling. typical of summer. Quoted from one of my many diseases books. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted November 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Thats why Im leving my NSW for one month before water changes. All ICH will die and so will bacteria. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Thats why Im leving my NSW for one month before water changes. It is a catch 22, as you might get more nutrients in the wtaer due to die off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted November 14, 2005 Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 Quoted from one of my many diseases books. Ha Ha! :lol: Always enjoy the unsubtle humour on this site, and the banter. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted November 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 There wont be enough in the water to make a noticeable difference. NSW is too dilute for that to occur. I will also protein skim the water change water for 2 hours prior to feeding the display. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted November 14, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 14, 2005 This is funny.....! I shall prove it to you all....Hahahahahahaaaaaa!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feelers Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 You could always ozone it! I love the idea of ozone. Leaves all the minerals, nukes everything else. No more waterborne Ich or diatoms. I would imagine it would help rid your tank of ich a lot faster. Crystal clear water too. Someone had one on tradme for $900 Take that expensive plunge cracker!! I dare you Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SteveA Posted November 15, 2005 Report Share Posted November 15, 2005 Very interesting. I can't recall ever having a case of ich in my reef since I set it up aver 10 years ago, althought I do remember worrying about getting it in the reef in the early days. I probably did have mild cases of it, but even the fish that died over the years, those I found anyway, never showed any signs that I can remember. I did use ozone, however, up until the time I moved the reef to my basement last May. I suppose stating this will now be the kiss of death. Steve Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted November 21, 2005 Report Share Posted November 21, 2005 Whats happening cracker? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
gregb Posted November 22, 2005 Report Share Posted November 22, 2005 Cracker has been ozoned. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cracker Posted November 24, 2005 Author Report Share Posted November 24, 2005 Right..... third dose has been installed...this time I wont run out of the damn stuff. I have heaps! ALL visible ich has gone from fish. Now just finish the dosinf for 40 odd days to rid all the MV and remaining ICH. Going very well. Reef is trying it as he has a mild case....working well for him too I think. Reef? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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