DiverJohn Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Hi Guys, Any thought on what to do with this??? Its E.Orisis Couple more pics here... http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/ ... 6Small.jpg http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v626/ ... 7Small.jpg Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantman Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 brother it looks like you have cut it from the mother plant. you should not have done that. Pitty, Orisis is a beautiful plant. (any picture of the main plant). the plantlet stalk should be left attached the the main plant until the leafs and roots are well develop. if this is cut, i do not think anything can happened now. i do not think there is any seed for you to geminate. Sorry, not a good news from me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiverJohn Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Thanks Plant Man, Good news, that "stalk" is soo big that I was able to carefully move it out of the tank, and lay it gently on the sheet of paper for its photo shoot Then put it back under the glass The shoot is ( i estimate) about 60 - 70 cm long. The main plant is about 50 cm across and about 45 cm high, good colour, and even the shoot is red!! The main plant is producing 1 or 2 new leaves every 7-10 days. Any idea how long the shoot takes too mature? how long is it going to get?? Could this explain the brown/green floaty "pollen" like stuff I have been getting on the water surface?? I have had planty of shoots come off the smaller swords ( tenelus, leopard etc ) thats how they have spread, but this is a bit different. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantman Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 the small sword goes with the runner that spread throught the gravel. this one grow out of the water. i had mine growig about 70 cm long. i though it is going to touch my celing. i think the shoot is call rizon (can someone correct my spelling?) at some point, you will need to sort of twirl it back into the water. there the node will flowered and plantlet will grow. made sure you give it a little more juice for the plantlet (water fertliser). if the shoot or stalk is still stiff, if you push it a little for a while, it begin to loosen. wait for 12 hours and slowly twirl it back under the water. be sure to show us the flower in your picture and save one plantlet for me to buy. All the best. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freshwest Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Those PMDD must be doing the trick . Still have plenty of trace element if you need more ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiverJohn Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Those PMDD must be doing the trick Ya think!!! :lol: Still have plenty of trace element if you need more Strewth, thanks mate, I still have heaps, will probably drop you a line some time in '07 :lol: . BTW I am not using any KNO3 in the mix any more. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantman Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 hey, what is in your trace element? like to know formula that works! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Make sure you take a good close-up shot of the flowers and send it to Cees for the plant data base please! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiverJohn Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Plantman: Will get you the "recipie" tonight. But its not flash, 1 teaspoon of this 1/2 of that. But pretty close to the recipies on the net. Caryl: No worries, I am hoping to get some flowers for exactly that reason. I might have to update the pic i supplied him too, its a weeeee bit bigger now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 If you make a ring of airline tubing or similar. Place around the stem of the flower spike to form a floating circle. Slowly pull the stem under water, you wil see the pollen come off the flower onto the water surface. Slowly bring the flower spike up thru the floating pollen. Wallah !! The flower is fertilized. Alan 104. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiverJohn Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Are you pimping my plant Alan!! :lol: :lol: :lol: Any idea when the flower will come out?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 If you don't it won't unless you have flying insects partial to the plants. Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiverJohn Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Ah ok, sweet, that what i wanted to know. The green buds need to be fertilized, I should have paid more attention in those lectures! Any idea what the little nodes are??? Having difficulty finding info on the net... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiverJohn Posted October 8, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Thought some of you might be interested in this ( I know Plant man will be!! ) Here is a pic of the E. Orisis back in May.... And here is one I took today. From the glass on the right hand side to the tip of the leaf on the left its 58cm or near enough 23 inches Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantman Posted October 8, 2005 Report Share Posted October 8, 2005 Sweet, now i need to clear some space for the Orisis. this is mine Echinnodorus - Red Special, about 6 months ago. it really is jack-in-the-bean-stalk. i give it it a little push and stalk soften and i slowly twirl it back into the water, submerge. the height of my tank is 50cm. when the leaves and roots are established, cut the stalk. Each node could mean a few plantlets. :lol: plant then in the gravel and off they go. Red..., Go Go Go!!! :bounce: :bounce: :bounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DiverJohn Posted October 10, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 HI Plant man... Heres that recipie... Initially i was very kindly supplied the following ingredients scaled off... 9g of trace mix 14g K2SO4 - Potasium Sulphate 6g KNO3 - Potassium Nitrate 33g MgSO4 - Magnesuim Sulphate This was mixed with 300ml of water. And the dosing rate I calculated out was 1/12th of a ml (2 drops) per / 10gal Or 0.08 ml / 38 litres However, this is difficult to measure and could easily cause over dosing. So The 300ml of solution I keep as "stock" in the refridgerator. In the latest batch of diluted solution I am using 75ml of stock + 125ml water, and dosing at 5 mls per day. HTH John Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Plantman Posted October 10, 2005 Report Share Posted October 10, 2005 whats in a trace mix? any where to buy this trace mix? thanks for the recipe. Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 Hi, I'm new here but could I make a couple of suggestions. Your plant is E. osiris and try not cutting the runner. If you leave the plantlettes until they have good leaves and roots you can carefully work the plant lose and replant it. This allows other plants (which may even be on the same node) to continue to develop properly. You will find with many Echinodorus sp. that when all the plantlettes have been removed more will grow in a few months. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted October 15, 2005 Report Share Posted October 15, 2005 Also a warning: I have an E. osiris in a 600mm high tank with a clear plastic lid and when it sent a runner straight up it hit the lid in 4 days and snapped the end off. I lost about 6 - 8 nodes and only ended up with 2 surviving, one of which is producing 2 plantlettes at the moment. It can also grow pretty large. Mine is about 400mm x 400mm, so it needs a reasonable sized tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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