chimera Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 This thread for info on a Fish Only setup. How about we say, for arguments sake , that the tank size is 3 to 4 foot with a couple of fish and (even if it is a little) bit of LR (live rock) for biological and aethetic reasons? List the items that you think are required and approximate cost range (depending on budget/cheap through to expensive) and pro's/con's of each item. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted April 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 ok, well you need some fish for starters... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 If you have LR, then Shouldnt this post be FOWLR? Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wok Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 how about 2 Clowns and a couple of shrimps? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 he said ad prices aswell wok whats the price? ant Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 for a FO tank what a waste. You want some more Fish than that. Clowns, Yellow tangs, Blue tangs, i dont know many other fish lol. Some sifters would be cool. Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Tank + Stand $600 + Sump (3foot) $100 Skimmer $600 + Plumbing $100 + Return pump $150 Rock 20kg $200 Lighting (Flouro) $200 Magnets / Nets $50 Refractometer $120 Heaters $60 Test kits (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH) $120 Gravel $50 Salt $100 Livestock $600 + Total $3050 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Im not sure on prices, But Clowns are something like $60ea, Ive seen Blue tangs for sale at $170. Sump would be smart for a FO setup Skimmer You dont need heavy lighting for FO or FOWLR setups? So if thats correct then T5's x2 Return pumps etc As said not sure on Prices, I was asking the same stuff. Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Im not sure on prices, But Clowns are something like $60ea, Ive seen Blue tangs for sale at $170. Usually less than half that price. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Tank + Stand $600 + Sump (3foot) $100 Skimmer $600 + Plumbing $100 + Return pump $150 Rock 20kg $200 Lighting (Flouro) $200 Magnets / Nets $50 Refractometer $120 Heaters $60 Test kits (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH) $120 Gravel $50 Salt $100 Livestock $600 + Total $3050 Things must be more expensive in Christchurch. 4 foot tank can be made for $120 here, Steel stand $100-200 depending on who makes and who you buy the steel off. Thats a freakn expensive Skimmer? what brand? Why so much Rock? IF its a FO tank? Man, I can get Twin Flouro lighting for $109.95 Nets and magnets are expensive there! Animates have magnets for $12 at the mo. Nets $3-$10ea Depending on size 200 watt heaters are $20 from Hutt Pet (or were) So two of those would do the trick. Salt is free from the Sea. Most ppl already have some form of Test Kits. I thought there was some sought of Cycle period that you should wait until thats finished and everthying has stabilised before you add fish, Livestock prices shouldnt be added as it depends on the Aqauriest. Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 So excluding the Skimmer That totals to around $1231.95. Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 But if you DIY'd, Used what you already had OR bought second hand you could save alot of money aswell. Just for the sake of this Discussion, I know its going to get boo'd on but i dont care. For example. Tank-$0 ex-Freshwater Stand-$0 ex-Freshwater Sump tank-$0 ex-Freshwater Lighting- 2xFlouro $109.95 OR $60-$90 off trademe Return Pump- $150 Possibly Cheaper off Trademe Heating-2x200watt Heaters $40 Skimmer- Like i said i dont have a clue Nets- Lets Say $20 all up Magnets- Why would you need them? Cleaning the glass manualy is much more affective anyway. Saltwater/Freshwater-Both free Down here Plumbing-$100 Refractometer-$120 I dont know what this is but is it nessecary? Test kits (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH) $120- Possibly cheaper if you already Own. Gravel-$50 Evendentally Somewhere in the Visinity of $589.95 Anything i missed out? My 2 cents Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 4 foot tank can be made for $120 here, Steel stand $100-200 depending on who makes and who you buy the steel off. Glass prices have more than doubled recently Thats a freakn expensive Skimmer? what brand? One that actually works efficiently. Deltec. which are available in NZ. There are other good brands but you can't buy them here. Why so much Rock? IF its a FO tank? That's not a lot of rock. Fish like clean water too. Rock is an important part to filtration. Man, I can get Twin Flouro lighting for $109.95 bulbs? Nets and magnets are expensive there! Animates have magnets for $12 at the mo. Nets $3-$10ea Depending on size You'll want a quality magnet for removing calcareous algae. A $12 magnet won't move this stuff. 200 watt heaters are $20 from Hutt Pet (or were) So two of those would do the trick. Salt is free from the Sea. if you have access to it. Contamination is also free, but thats a different topic. :-) Most ppl already have some form of Test Kits. Not appropriate for saltwater. Salifert, JBL and Seachem are the only brands to consider. I thought there was some sought of Cycle period that you should wait until thats finished and everthying has stabilised before you add fish, Livestock prices shouldnt be added as it depends on the Aqauriest. Yip tank does have to cycle. But you'll still be spending money on fish so it MUST be budgeted for. Sure people choose what fish they add, but they all cost money, so something has to be included to account for this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 So excluding the Skimmer That totals to around $1231.95. Why would you exclude the skimmer. It is a requirement for a tank. It's like setting up a tank without water, it just doesn't work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Cuz i dont know Prices, Brands, Availablitly, Reliability etc. Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Anything i missed out? plenty of things: Rock, Skimmer, livestock, bulbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Granted- I forgot nessecary $$ for a Skimmer and LR As ive said i dont think LiveStock should be added into the $$ as it varies for Aqauriests and Prices etc vary. Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 As ive said i dont think LiveStock should be added into the $$ as it varies for Aqauriests and Prices etc vary. I don't agree. Livestock is part of the cost of setting up a tank. Peoples stock list will be different, but you could expect to spend at least $600. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Livestock is part of the cost of setting up a tank. Peoples stock list will be different, but you could expect to spend at least $600. Thats kind of my point, People stock lists will be different and whos to says, Other than you, there going to spend $600? Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 No one. But you're going to be spending something, and $600 will get you middle of the road common type of fish to have an average FO tank that size. If it was ME, I would probably spend double that easily on more uncommon fish. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
livebearer_breeder Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Well if were going to add Livestock, then names and prices should be Required to be more specific, not your estimates. Then the Aqauriest can choose what he/she is going to allow for livestock. Shae Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted April 28, 2005 Author Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 can we get a range of items here? i cant be bothered, but if someone can, take laytons list and put an adequate range of prices then a total from x to y. also put a 'mandatory' or 'optional' or 'optional but recommended' next to each and basic reason why. skimmer could be 'optional but recommended' in a FO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Control Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Why would you exclude the skimmer. It is a requirement for a tank. It's like setting up a tank without water, it just doesn't work. You do not need a skimmer with all types of fish only tanks. only the ones with more sensitive fish and/or a high load. Do more water changes with sea water. Its not that far for most people we don't live in the middle of the US. This is whay I didn't want to include stock. Their is to much variation. I don't no how a conclusion can come from this post it seems to cover to many options. Aaron. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 I agree, I think the skimmer can wait if you can't find a good second hand one. Just keep an eye out for one on trademe or here, it can wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
petplanet Posted April 28, 2005 Report Share Posted April 28, 2005 Tank + Stand $350 Sump (3foot) $90 Plumbing $50 Return pump $150 Rock 20kg $200 Lighting Single Fluro + Power Glo Tube $140.00 Large Floating magnet $19.95 Plastic Eftpos Card Free (depending on bank. Best tool ever for removing hard stuff) Nets $9.90 (thats 2x6" nets) Hydrometer/Thermometer $14.00 300W Heater $39.95 or less Test kits (ammonia, nitrite, nitrate, pH) $80 Aquarium Pharmacueticals Saltwater Master Test Kit. Probably not considered top of the line but more than good enough. Gravel $50 NSW (which most reefies seem to use) Without Skimmer, around $1200.00 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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