spoon Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 So a few years ago my trusted cheap Chinese led unit dropped a channel so I decided to investigate it and pull it apart.It came apart easily with about 8 screws removed I was greeted by two half as per photos below, the first half consisted of 3 cooling fans; overly noisy and running on 12v, the fan power supply and 4 drivers from memory they were rated 80-130v at 300ma and the 4 channels were controlled by 2 simple on off switches each operating two drivers (channels) of the same colour either blue or white. A common modification for these type of units is to add a resistor or fan speed controller to trim the fan speed back making the fans quieter, I never bothered as my overflow box weir at the time was noisier anyway. The second half consisted of wires going to the drivers, heatsink plate and leds. If you notice in photos the heatsink plate is very thin and has no fins this is a cost cutting method as the LEDs are underdriven at 300ma rather than the 350ma epistar LEDs are designed for. This has the fortunate effect of increasing the life of LEDs by reducing heat. This also means the LEDs are no longer 1w LEDs more like 0.8w and can have an effect on the spectrum of light being output ( not really an issue here as they grew coral fine anyway, but a consideration for more advanced builds) the light is meant to be using 120 w of power but has only 112 "1w" LEDs so theoretically it's only about as good as 90-100 1w LEDs being properly driven at 350ma. The rest of the power is used by fans and heat losses. Also of note looking at photo of pcb with LEDs on it is the colour of LEDs , the yellow ones being the white colour, clear being blue and brownish ones being uv(on blue channels). The white ones are coloured yellow due to a Yellow phosphor coating, they are actually blue underneath and the blue light excites the phosphor into emitting white light. Interesting to note there is no such thing as a true white led, they are all either phosphor coated blues like this (thicker orange phosphor coating for warm white) or made up of a combination of red, green and blue LEDs tightly clustered on the same chip to mix together and give out white light. The uv LEDs are something I recommend people avoid with cheaper LEDs as these epistar uv LEDs don't last long. The brown colour is where the uv light has broken down the epoxy protecting the led. At this point I wanted to diagnose Wether the faulty channel was an led fault or driver fault so I unplugged and swapped over the driver from the faulty circuit to one from a good circuit (these just have small leads that unclip) as it still didn't work I knew it was an led problem and not a driver. Then came the next task, removing around 120 very tiny screws that attached the pcb/LEDs to the heat sink plate, took a very long time ,... So so fiddly. I then tested each led individually with very old batteries from a small flash light til I came across the faulty one. The 112 LEDs in this light are arranged in four circuits each with 27 LEDs in series . If one led in the 27 goes all go. This is what happened here. I removed this faulty led and bridged it temporarily with a small piece of wired soldered across, knowing that the other LEDs could safely handle the small increase in voltage until replacement LEDs arrived. I ordered replacement epistar LEDs from eBay, less than $1 each and also ordered enough to replace the uv ones. After painstakingly removing the 120 odd tiny screwed I had carefully put back in a few weeks earlier, I then soldered in the new LEDs. It's small and fiddly desoldering and resoldering these units and you have to be careful to do a good job as you don't want to be pulling those tiny screws out again to repair a dry solder joint in a few months. Repairs all done and worked well until about a year later and a power surge destroyed all the drivers. I managed to buy another unit the same cheap from another local reef keeper which had one channel that flashed all the time. Was fine for keeping my corals alive for a few weeks until the flashing drove me nuts and I had this unit apart too. Using the same process I discovered it was a driver at fault. My electrical knowledge doesn't extend far enough to repair a driver so I decided to replace it. After an hour searching I found the exact driver on dhgate.com for $14. When it arrived simply plugged it in and and I was good to go. It's good knowing what you are buying when it comes to cheaper LEDs and all of the cheap Chinese led units I've seen use the same tricks to reduce cost or increase lifespan regardless of whether they use 1w or 3w LEDs so it's worth looking into how they work and how much of the claimed wattage is actually available to the LEDs. The quality of heatsink vary a lot too, some actually have decently thick finned types. The unit eventually started to rust and I started a project light to try get the best of led and metal halide.... New thread soon Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishyNZ Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 It is called Duty Cycle and it is not only the Chinese that uses these "tricks".I have been involved in designing display interfaces requiring LED lighting; by setting a specific duty cycle, a target power consumption can be achieved (e.g. battery applications), as well as simpler product design (drivers requiring smaller or no heatsink). Brightness levels can also be adjusted, if required, by varying the duty cycle (pulse-width modulation). I believe cost is always a consideration, no matter which part of the world a product is designed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon Posted May 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Yes very true, my point for mentioning the "tricks" is the average consumer has no idea they aren't getting 120w at the LEDs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishyNZ Posted May 6, 2016 Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 (edited) Isn't lumens more important than wattage, for lighting applications such as fish tanks? Edited May 6, 2016 by fishyNZ Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spoon Posted May 6, 2016 Author Report Share Posted May 6, 2016 Yep but even more important is par. Spectral difference from different bin number LEDs can also make a difference. Many of the higher end LEDs are built with this in mind. These cheapies are just about bang for buck. I would say values would vary wildly. wouldn't have a clue of the output of my lights in par only that they work well enough for my application but just have reliability issues. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alexyay Posted May 10, 2016 Report Share Posted May 10, 2016 As Spoon has said, I believe PAR is more important than Lumens. Lumens are what the human eye can see, whereas PAR is more relevant to plants. I personally look at PAR, Wavelengths and Wattage (to an extent) when looking for LED lights Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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