Fievels Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 http://s364.photobucket.com/user/fievel ... sort=3&o=1 Dosed the tank with Furan2, but didn't really notice any major changes. On final water change, while renewing carbon filter I found one of my rams dead. Ironically she wasn't the one who looked too serious, but whose eyes were a bit pop-eyed compared to usual. Gave the tank a really good gravel vac, and cleaned log, under which I found the culprits... a couple of very fluffy looking vege pellets which I hadn't realised hadn't been eaten. Fish all very happy now, and loaches are zipping around back to their usual selves... all except this guy who I now have in a QT. The bulge above his eye since taking this pic a few days ago, developed blood in it, and now looks like what I would describe as popped popcorn, and now is a bit fluffy too. What is this problem and is there any hope for him?!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ismart120 Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 Thats the worst case I've seen myself - hoping that he makes it but yeah, not looking good. White & fluffy sounds like its more than bacterial too. Parasite of some sort maybe as a secondary infection? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 http://s364.photobucket.com/user/fievels007/media/Mobile%20Uploads/Tank%20problems/AAA97D9E-0606-4ED3-930B-7967BAC59347_zpsdb417201.jpg.html?sort=3&o=1 Dosed the tank with Furan2, but didn't really notice any major changes. On final water change, while renewing carbon filter I found one of my rams dead. Ironically she wasn't the one who looked too serious, but whose eyes were a bit pop-eyed compared to usual. Gave the tank a really good gravel vac, and cleaned log, under which I found the culprits... a couple of very fluffy looking vege pellets which I hadn't realised hadn't been eaten. Fish all very happy now, and loaches are zipping around back to their usual selves... all except this guy who I now have in a QT. The bulge above his eye since taking this pic a few days ago, developed blood in it, and now looks like what I would describe as popped popcorn, and now is a bit fluffy too. What is this problem and is there any hope for him?!! In my, limited, experience what usually ends up happening if the pop eye gets that bad is that it ends up completely tearing out the eyeball and releasing the pressure. Then there's a bit better chance of them surviving. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted December 1, 2013 Report Share Posted December 1, 2013 If the eye has burst and the resulting area has developed a cotton wool growth on it, you could try taking the ram out and dropping a drop of meth blue directly on the cotton wool growth, however only do this if the eye is gone as otherwise the fish will lose its sight due to the meth blue. You will have to keep the water conditions absolutely pristine ie water change totally at least once a day for any chance of recovery, this could take several weeks. What caused the water to deteriorate so much in the first place that it developed or is there bullying going on in the tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fievels Posted December 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 I think water deteriorated due to a couple of things- 1. The vege pellets were not being eaten and were ending up under a log where I couldn't see them, growing fluffy bits. 2. I hadn't replaced the carbon filter in a long time (lesson learned) 3. In trying not to disturb the plants I hadn't done a serious gravel vac in a while (did so on Staurday and fish are so much happier... just not this guy) I was away for 5 days, with mother n law feeding fish for me, so she wouldn't have known anything was up with the fishes' eyes, and by the time I got home the pleco had died and this ram had his growth. He's still alive in his quarantine tank... his eye is now quite side-ways, but he's a bloody trooper! Will go do a water change now. So you all think his growth is simply pop-eye? Looks so much like a tumour!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ira Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 Would this mean I'd have a one-eyed fish? Yeah, your Ram would become a Mikrogeopharrrgus ramirezi. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fievels Posted December 2, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 I hope I can find him an eye patch at my LFS... otherwise I might have to sew him one out of a bit of bike tyre... leather would deteriorate in the water. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted December 2, 2013 Report Share Posted December 2, 2013 He might not lose the eye - if you can keep the water really clean. The cotton wool fluff that appeared is usually caused by the likes of an infected scratch or cut. That is what is more likely to kill him than anything else. Meth Blue will get rid of it if dosed directly on to the wound but if it gets in the eye itself, then sight will very likely be lost. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fievels Posted December 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 Would Wundertonic on the eye have the same effect? Not sure that I'll be able to get it on the infection without getting it on they eye. Is it worth putting Wundertonic in the water, or just keep up with daily water changes? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted December 3, 2013 Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 Most probably would help. You can put it in the water but I find directly on the wound tends to make the cotton wool effect drop off. Do you have any cotton buds? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fievels Posted December 3, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 3, 2013 So Wundertonic is a mix of a few things, is that okay? Can get some cotton buds. Its right over his eye... looks to be getting better. How do you hold him still?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 If it looks to be getting better just continue on as you are. You will find once out of the water the fish won't move much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sophia Posted December 4, 2013 Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 I think you should video the operation. :spop: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fievels Posted December 4, 2013 Author Report Share Posted December 4, 2013 I think you should video the operation. :spop: Haha... Blue's Anatomy... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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