WillskE Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 its the second day that i notice my female jaguar gone quiet today shes just hiding under a slate/cave as well as the male on the another one, just few days ago the female was bulged with eggs and they were courting, but nothing happened i think so now are they just having a cooling off period or what? cause they not interested in eating or anything just sitting there normally its the male that does that and the female always just chops and chops everyday on the food...no signs of any injuries so im abit concerned Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee2 Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 cause they not interested in eating or anything just sitting there normally its the male that does that and the female always just chops and chops everyday on the food...no signs of any injuries so im abit concerned mine is too as described above. I had this guy for 1year and half, he is only acting agressively when I pour bulk lot of bloodworm in the tank. in the way I think he is only in a 'Jag nature' when he really hungry. mine is pretty quiet generally not even bothering other smaller fish which is quite against 'HIGHLY AGGRESSIVE' suggested by some info providers. what I hav found out on mine is Jag is a generally timid fish with a little attitude and territorial might be 'highly aggressive' during spawn. (but neva had a clud due to there is only a male) my Jag is too fussy to food badly. He only takes bloodworm :facepalm: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jaxxnz Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 AGGRESSIVE when I pour bulk lot of bloodworm,'HIGHLY AGGRESSIVE' in territorial These fish act like JAW" when it come down to feeding.. Out of all CA cichlids i find Flowerhorn, Festae,Midas are the most aggressive in comunity tank.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillskE Posted December 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 but the thing is they dont come around when i come to feed anymore they just stay bottom, just now i thought the female died cause she was so still...i checked the water parameters and everything was on perfect, really dont want to lose any of the two..got attached to them so much :tears: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillskE Posted December 5, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 and nothings changed, pretty much its a daily schedule feeding twice a day with hakari gold and cichlid staple and weekly water change.. the only thing change just recently was that i feed also new life jumbo fish formula but i dont think thats the case? or would they have a upset stomach Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketman Posted December 5, 2011 Report Share Posted December 5, 2011 Probably cooling off, chek tank temp?? Throw a couple guppies in thea as feeders, bet they wont say no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee2 Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 and nothings changed, pretty much its a daily schedule feeding twice a day with hakari gold and cichlid staple and weekly water change.. the only thing change just recently was that i feed also new life jumbo fish formula but i dont think thats the case? or would they have a upset stomach hi man try some bloodworm n see how it goes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 If they aren't eating and are hiding allot I would be concerned could be a sign of some sort of internal issue or fish being sick, as the others have suggested tempt them with something they really like if they still don't eat then you will have to investigate further. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillskE Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 yea, have tried blood worms and nothing, what can i do about intestinal problems? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketman Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Try a feeder fish to entice them. If they stil not eating in newt few days,, probably internal. Watch for any signs that could point out worms such as protrusions. Her "fat with eggs" may be an un detected infestation. Droncit to worm them both may be on the cards. Or any wormer with praziquantel. Ask your vet. Search the forum for dosage and instructions. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillskE Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 but i had dosed with parzi maybe just a month ago? cause i was thinking that the male might had worms since he wasn't really into other food other than cichlid gold, so should i dose again? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketman Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 If the female wasnt dosed, do them both again, she may have been hosting and re-infestation can happen quickly if one is holding the parasite. I stil think give them a feeder like guppy over next couple days, entice them owt at least to give u a chance to look over them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 It is really hard.. But if the fish are off their food and sulking but not reall skinny it could be a hex type thing, in which case the best thing is metro.. I am no expert but with most worms (ESP those treated with prazi) tend to present as fish that fade away and still eat pretty much right upto the end.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketman Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 It is really hard.. But if the fish are off their food and sulking but not reall skinny it could be a hex type thing, in which case the best thing is metro.. You may be right, but treating for worms, especially given that she was so fat(and still fat byOP description) and being that she hasn't been treated (as far as I can gather?) , and the male was (obviously for a reason) made me jump to this first. Try one then the other I think. just give them a couple days between treatments. Its really hard to tell with anything internal, it becomes abit of hit and miss. All i can really say more, is good luck with treatment, and hopefully one or the other will sort them out... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
craig Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Hi, If it was me, I would give them a waterchange,seen as lots of food been going in to tempt them. Make sure tank is right temp as jags tend to sulk if tank is to cool. Don't feed them except for putting in some feeders.And just leave them be for awhile. And don't feed them twice a day. It doesn't hurt to even miss aday here and there. And unless you know for sure that your fish has internal worms etc you shouldn't treat them. If they haven't got a problem you soon will have.as treatments screw with the water. Have you checked for babies? Mine used to not move much when they had babies,did attack my hand when I got to close. Anyways just an opinion. But give it a go, it's not going to hurt them.Waterchange(that way if there is ammonia levels they will drop.Some live feeders won't pollute water,not like uneaten food will. Don't feed them anything else. Chill for a week and see if the feeders dissappear. Shell Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillskE Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 thanks for all the tips, as i checked them today, they both came up to surface waiting for food and as i fed abit of cichlid gold the female took pretty much 6,7 large pellets at once and at that point i thought they recovered, but then she suddenly spat it all out after trying to chew it and then just lost interest so i was thinking she had injury in her mouth but i couldnt see anything, the males back to normal swimming around waiting for the left over food to go soggy and take it real slowly, the only thing i notice of the female that i never seen before was that she twitched her dorsal fin a few times, but only saw her doing it once and now shes just back to "hovering mode". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillskE Posted December 6, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 Hi, If it was me, I would give them a waterchange,seen as lots of food been going in to tempt them. Make sure tank is right temp as jags tend to sulk if tank is to cool. Don't feed them except for putting in some feeders.And just leave them be for awhile. And don't feed them twice a day. It doesn't hurt to even miss aday here and there. And unless you know for sure that your fish has internal worms etc you shouldn't treat them. If they haven't got a problem you soon will have.as treatments screw with the water. Have you checked for babies? Mine used to not move much when they had babies,did attack my hand when I got to close. Anyways just an opinion. But give it a go, it's not going to hurt them.Waterchange(that way if there is ammonia levels they will drop.Some live feeders won't pollute water,not like uneaten food will. Don't feed them anything else. Chill for a week and see if the feeders dissappear. Shell ill try doing the water change today but if i do a 25% the water temp will prob go down quite abit on the 800liter atm the glass themo says 27-29 but the heaters are set to 25-26 and if i do water change the glass themo wil go down to 24-25 would that be ok? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Squirt Posted December 6, 2011 Report Share Posted December 6, 2011 You wouldn't want to put them in shock by changing the temperature by that amount. Just gradually change it put in a bucket of cold water (I'm assuming this is what you are using) every half hour or so. Or use warm water therefore no temperature change. HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketman Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 Not all internal worms have external symptoms. I did mention temp earlier, and assumed this has been checked. Ryan is quite right, it may be a hex, but again, little to no external symptoms until an infection is well underway. Probably could of made it clearer, but any treatment should be done in hospital tank to reduce impact on display tank parameters and have controlled exposure to medication, as wel as reducing the amount of meds you use (saves money and time). Also makes a 50% w/change easier if there is a bad reaction from the fish (rare, but better to be prepared) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillskE Posted December 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 just got some prazi from HFF, should i treat with that and see how it goes from there? its just the two fish in the 800liter the males fine now just the female thats having problems Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee2 Posted December 7, 2011 Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 maybe caused by enteritis from internal infection. I am getting some medication (for human consumption, but itis suggested giving a good result on fish too) from overseas should be here by January. I will PM you if you still have.... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillskE Posted December 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 yup that would be great if you can, but i ll see how they go in the next few days with the water change and prazi Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
WillskE Posted December 7, 2011 Author Report Share Posted December 7, 2011 okay so day 1 after treating with prazi and a slow 25% water change, at first in the morning the female was till the same and the male is full back to normal but after a wee while during feeding the female came up and tried to take the pellets but both of them seem to have no "teeth" as they try to chew and end up spitting out whole, so i then tried bloodworms and it was perfect, so so far so good. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Cricketman Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 :happy2: :thup: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wee2 Posted December 8, 2011 Report Share Posted December 8, 2011 it sounds awesome. my Jag likes spitting to perhaps because their mouth is too big. when they are chewing and breathing at same time, the food are blew out. only a guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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