henward Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Hi All i purchased leopard geckos roughly 3 years ago, after 18 months, i started to attempt breeding. mating is occuring but no eggs are produced. anyone here have experienced purchasing leopards about that time, and cannot get them to breed? i have Hans' 2 leopards, im gonna put them in the mix, one of them is definitely a stunted female from hatching. just doesnt grow. the other is growing well so hopefully they can breed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perpin Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Wow, that's hectic henward. I would have thought that if they were having infertility problems then they would just lay iinfertile egss but no eggs is strange. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 it is weird. no eggs are being layed, tail is fat, but not too big, not bigger than their head. they are mating, i can see ;mating marks, though never witnessed a prolonged mating ritual. any ideaS? strange. and they are big. male is huge, female is just a lil smaller. should i separate during winter and re introduce, they are currently together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perpin Posted June 22, 2011 Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 Perhaps he is trying but not getting it right. It is better to have the males and females seperate. My male will try and mate with the females even when it's not breeding season which is stressful for the females. Try seperating them and see if it helps next breeding season. Perhaps she needs a break from him and may be more receptive when she is ready. During breeding season look for a light pink circle in the middle of the tummy around the size of the eraser on a pencil. This means she is ovulating and hopefully will be happy to accept the males advances after being left in peace, lol! Many are successful keeping leo's in colonies (me included) but there are those that need their space. Hope it works for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 22, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2011 who should i introduce, should i take male away and intro into the female cage or female intro into male cage? what month should i start the intro? and should i turn all heaters off fully? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perpin Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 I would intro the male into the females cage so that she is in familiar territory. The males hormones should take over sooner or later so unfamiliar territory wont be as much of a problem for him. I would wait for it to be nice and warm, say late November early December but the best indicator is the pink spot on the tummy. I wouldn't turn the heaters off completely. I personally dont brumate my leos and have never had a problem with them. They do this in the wild to compensate for a lack of food and cooler temps. I see no reason to do this in captivity. I am sure I will be irritating soome people by saying this but I just dont see the logic in it. Just keep the males away from the females to give them some peace. Let them eat and stay a good weight in preparation for the breeding season. Turn the heat down a few degrees if you want to but dont switch the heat off altogether. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 ok cool will do can i mix 2 other females with the one female? so 3 females in one cage then intro the male into the cage of 3 females? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perpin Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Yes that will be absolutely fine. Sometimes you will get a female that is "grumpy" and prefers being on their own but for the most part they dont mind living together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Brumation may help the females produce eggs and the male to get the idea. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc254 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 could she have impaction? who did you buy them from? any chance they could have been sterilized? 3 years ago they where worth $1500each and it could have been to protect the price? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 possible answer :sage: "Females born in the higher temperatures differed from those who were born in the lower temperatures hormonally and behaviorally. Those born in the warmer temperatures expressed more aggressive behavior.[11] These are known as "hot females" and are often determined to be infertile, that is unable to reproduce." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_gecko - under Reproduction. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 yes, explored options of hot females. over incubated females are over agro and sterile. 3 years ago, i purchased them off haisley. i bought 1, and a friend bought a male. and hans gave me 2 females to look after indefinitely to try and breed, i havent attempted to breed those yet. hans' ones are about 1 or slightly more younger than my originla 2 yes i explored sterilisation to protect price, but of course, benefit of the doubt, as i expressed explicit interst in establishing a colony for private collection purposes, he told me they are able to breed. i believed him of course, it is impossible to know if it was a lie or not. i know is that he has sold some specimens to some, and they are breeding fine. hence the later generations are from his ones also. so i see no reason why he would deceive me at the time, albeit he hates me right now as we have all seen here, at the time, there was no reason for him to lie to me. then again, $$$ is a good reason for many - im not here to accuse i guess. but that has crossed my mind. i will try with the other two plus my ones, again a different method, see if it works. i had no intention of generating income from them as i knew that lizards drop in price ALWAYS, as we have seen with any other lizard on the market. its only a matter of time, it was for collection purposes. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perpin Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 possible answer :sage: "Females born in the higher temperatures differed from those who were born in the lower temperatures hormonally and behaviorally. Those born in the warmer temperatures expressed more aggressive behavior.[11] These are known as "hot females" and are often determined to be infertile, that is unable to reproduce." http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Leopard_gecko - under Reproduction. It is possible but these females are normally very aggresive. Is she aggressive? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perpin Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 I highly doubt that he had them sterilised. How old were they when you got them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 not aggressive at all, none of them are. it is unlikely it was that reason. yeah, i dont want to accuse or go down that path, if it is that reason then there is nothing i can do about it. but i am optimistic. they were very young when i got them, juvenile patters - maybe 1 week into hatching, thtas what he told me anyways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Insect Direct Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 may not have been intentional try separating them for a while. should get the male randy, and the female time to eat some candy :slfg: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Perpin Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 I personally think that the possible cause is the lack of gene pool here in NZ. Holding thumbs that they breed successfully next season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 yeah, can be accidental, gene pool can be a large factor too. we can see i guess, ill try next season. this sunday will separate and ask my mate to bring male here and give him females. hope they breed, i just want a colony of them lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snookie Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 Have you tried dimming the lights and playing Barry white music ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 I bought all mine from him and the females all laid 10 eggs each last year. It was a bad year fertility wise but hope to correct that this year. Mine were producing eggs as soon as they came out of brumation. What age and weight are they? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 ill check weights but they are sizeable. what weights are yours? they are about 3 and a half years old. how old are yours, maybe from same batch or different batch? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 They need to be over 50 grams before you breed the females (preferably more) and mine were breeding at about a year. Their egg production starts to taper off after 3-4 years I believe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
henward Posted June 23, 2011 Author Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 they are definitely more than 50 grams when we started trying, i remember we weighed them and it was more than that. female was 57 i believe. yeah hope they can still breed, we will see i guess. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jc254 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 later generations may breed now due to the crash price, why bother for a reptile that you can get for $400 back then there was more of a reason to do it, protect the price of a $1500 reptile? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
alanmin4304 Posted June 23, 2011 Report Share Posted June 23, 2011 At that age they should be at their peak as breaders. Have they brumated? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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