land_lubber Posted September 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 Well she is hiding alot. She only comes out when there is food or if she sees the male. She certainly has changed colour I did manage to get a pic yesterday when I put in some mosquito larve but haven't put them on my computer yet and she doesn't look as fat as she was. I'm surprised that it hasn't taken them very long to breed, it kind of caught me off guard otherwise I would have moved the other female earlier. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 Wow, good one! That male was about half grown but his dad spawned first at about that size too. I find the females to be very aggressive toward the males but the males aren't nearly as aggressive toward the females in courting. Keep us updated. Too bad that the female died, there are precious few in the country at the moment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted September 29, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 Yeah I didn't think he was ready to breed. I'm thinking of moving him to another tank. I guess I will know in about 1 weeks time if she has laid or not. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danval Posted September 29, 2010 Report Share Posted September 29, 2010 Sounds promising Land -lubber! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted September 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I managed to move the tank out a little and have a look to see if there were any eggs and there are :bounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danval Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 yay :bounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Awesome good work Now what to do with them, do you plan on stealing fry/wrigglers asap? Just in case you are bitten by the apisto one spawn curse.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted September 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I was thinking of leaving them in there and let the mother rise the first lot and see how that goes. I just need to catch the male and put him in another tank but thats proving a bit harder than I had hoped :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 My advice would be to nab some fry asap.. There seems to be some curse around with apistos in NZ where they only tend to breed once and then loose the parents, they parents usually end up eating the fry and then you are stuck with nothing, always best to nab a few fry so you at least have some chance of keeping them ticking over. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danval Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 I know what you mean Land_lubber. I took about half a day trying to catch my Agassizi female as she changed colour and blended in with the oak leaves. When I did spot her, as soon as she saw the net she would disappear. I ended up removing the oak leaves and managed to corner her. It wasn't long after that, that she died, right in line with Ryan's Apisto curse theory Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Please adjust the temp so you get lots of females. I have a heap of nice males looking for dates! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted September 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Ok so I will grab half then once they hatch. What temp do you think I should change it to Jen? I have it at 26 degrees right now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted September 30, 2010 Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Ok, here's a summarization from Jan, 1997 TFH's Wayne's new World. Correlation between temp & sex ratio was significant for 33 species. At 23C ratio was skewed towards females. At 29C " " " " males A. caetei was an exception which did not skew relative to temp. However, pH was a role in A. caetei which did not influence the others as did temp. There does seem to be windows for when temp can make a difference. Broods transfered to the opposite temp had the following results After 33 days had characteristic of their initial spawning temps. Up to 3 days had the characteristics of the final temp in transfer After 3-33 days had a proportional and linear distribution relative to the time line (so transfer at 15 days produced a nearly 50/50 ratio). Source Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted September 30, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 30, 2010 Interesting, thanks. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danval Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Hey Jennifer. Just curious... What did you have your temperature at? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 I had it at 24, but I still got 2/3 males (and unfortunately lost several females in the quake). I will turn it down now though because one male can serve a few females so I would rather have more females. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danval Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Thanks for that. My Agassizi's were at 26 so i guess i can expect a lot of males. At what age can you sex these?. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted October 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 My female has moved the eggs so now I can see them better :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danval Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 Cool Land_lubber!. What are you planning on feeding the fry? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jennifer Posted October 1, 2010 Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 You can sex hongsloi from about 3-4 months although some are a bit ambiguous for a while. :roll: I siphon mine at 7 days (just before they are free swimming) and feed them BBS and microworms as soon as the yolk sac is no longer visible (day 8 or 9). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted October 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 1, 2010 I'll feed mine microworms then thinking of getting New Life Spectrum Grow Formula once they are big enough. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted October 3, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 3, 2010 I took the fry away from the mother this morning and counted 55 of them and they all still have there yolk sacks. I put them in an ice cream container and they are floating in a different tank. My next question is, how long should I wait before I put the male back in with the female? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 When the female is nice and fat then stick them back together, did you leave any fry with her at all? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
danval Posted October 4, 2010 Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 Well done Land_lubber. Now for the next phase Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
land_lubber Posted October 4, 2010 Author Report Share Posted October 4, 2010 No Ryan I took them all out. Whys that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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