Vervo Posted September 15, 2010 Report Share Posted September 15, 2010 we have got 4 tetras died last 3 weeks, I just looked it up online, I think it is the so call Neon Tetra Disease. We also have school of rummy nose tetra, they are fine. we also got 1 cardinals tetra, it has a pop eye, sO i've been treating some tonic and some melafix saome days.... I've just look at his eye, which has been poping for more than 2 weeks, it just got worse. There's a worm like in the eye, but it's stilled and neon, it was there before, really small i thought was just caused by it's body nature, but now it looks like neon worm in the pop eye.... Well, any solutions to my fish problem? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pink_fish Posted September 20, 2010 Report Share Posted September 20, 2010 Hi Vervo. Can I ask how big your tank is and how many fish you've got in there? How often are you doing water changes and how much water are you taking out of the tank at each time? Pop eye is a symptom of something rather than an actual illness in itself. It is most commonly caused by bacteria, but it is hard to know how to treat it without knowing exactly what has caused it. I've had fish with mild pop eye before and have got rid of it by upping water changes and using a bit of melafix - basically, keeping things extra clean and healthy in the aquarium to let the fish's immune system take care of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vervo Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 we have 140l tank, but about 110l water in, external canister Filter, change 25% water once or twice a week, planted tank, co2 system stopped for 4 weeks now, 7 rummy nose, 2 small discus, 2 small clown loaches, 1 golden ram, 1 tiny clown loach, 1 6cm golden bristlenose pleco and now 8 cardinals tetra, was 13. we had 3 cardinals tetra died so far, included the pop eye guy, but he had that 1 pop eye for 3 weeks. 1 more cardinals tetra is dying as according to the description of the Neon Tetra Disease disease, losing colour, bent body, swimming oddly, I have been putting tonic, it kinda help him survive, despite that it should be flush down the toliet by now, but does not looking any better. :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 Far too many fish in such a small tank IMO. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vervo Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 we heard it is ok to be a little over stock if it is heavy planted, and most of our fish are small. we aware that the clown loach and discus will grow big, but we are thinking to upgrade our tank in the future. forgot to mension we got 3 black line flying fox too(4~5cm) note: 2 clown loach 7cm each rummy nose 2~3cm discus 4cm and 3cm Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vervo Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 it's approx 32.48 inch. we got 35 gallonish so we are alright 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 A little over stocking is fine; but that is more than just a little overstocked given water changes are only small and done once every week or two. I'd be doing at least one 50% change a week without fail if not more than that. You'd almost certainly stunt discus that are that small with your current WC regime, so first course of action will be to increase the frequency of WCs. That will most likely solve the issue with cardinals popping off as well, as I believe it has more to do with water quality than any thing else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-obstacle Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 it's approx 32.48 inch. we got 35 gallonish so we are alright 8) The old 1" per gallon rule doesn't really work that well. Have you looked at the aquadvisor (spelling?) website to calculate the safety of your stock levels? At the end of the day it could be a number of different things but it certainly sounds like you've got a lot of fish in that tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vervo Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 that's a good calculator, but gonna take me ages to do that.... :roll: I'll ask my bf to do it, thanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 The old 1" per gallon rule doesn't really work that well. It actually doesn't work at all :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-obstacle Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 It actually doesn't work at all :-? Yeah, but I was trying to be a bit subtle :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 :-? Subtle about what exactly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-obstacle Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 :-? Subtle about what exactly? :lol: :lol: nobody likes being told they're wrong. Interestingly I have a 20 gallon tank but because of the shape I can have more than 1" per gallon according to www.howmanyfish.com. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vervo Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 ok here's the result with approx actual fish sizes too http://aqadvisor.com/AqAdvisor.php?AquTankName=vbn&AquListBoxTank=Choose&AquTankLength=73&AquTankDepth=45&AquTankHeight=42&FormSubmit=Update&AquListBoxFilter=User+Defined&AquTextFilterRate=430&AquListBoxFilter2=Choose&AquTextFilterRate2=N/A+&AquFilterString=&AquListBoxChooser=Cardinal+Tetra+(Paracheirodon+axelrodi)&AquTextBoxSize=&AquTextBoxQuantity=&AquTextBoxRemoveQuantity=&AlreadySelected=200909300090:1:0:,200909300207:3:1.57480314961:,200909300058:1:1.77165354331:,200909300058:1:1.1811023622:,200912011162:1:2.36220472441:,200909300045:1:2.75590551181:,200909300045:1:2.55905511811:,200909300045:1:1.57480314961:,200909300196:4:1.1811023622:,200909300196:1:1.57480314961:,200909300196:2:0.787401574803:,200909300039:3:0.984251968504:,200909300039:5:1.1811023622:&FilterMode=Display+all+species&AqTempUnit=C&AqVolUnit=L&AqLengthUnit=cm&AqSortType=cname&FilterQuantity=2&AqJuvMode=1&AqSpeciesWindowSize=short&AqSearchMode=simple and if it is all adult fish, it would be 225% over stock, but we are not, as we have young fishes not all adults. :bounce: updated* the filter is 430L/hr Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 :lol: :lol: nobody likes being told they're wrong. Interestingly I have a 20 gallon tank but because of the shape I can have more than 1" per gallon according to http://www.howmanyfish.com. So if I had a 12 gallon tank, I could have 12" of Oscar? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-obstacle Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 ok here's the result with approx actual fish sizes too and if it is all adult fish, it would be 225% over stock, but we are not, as we have young fishes not all adults. :bounce: updated* the filter is 430L/hr it's this line that's the telling part Warning: You NEED to add more aquarium filtration capacity!!! Although, now that I click on your link again it doesn't say that any more... It was definitely there the first time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-obstacle Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 So if I had a 12 gallon tank, I could have 12" of Oscar? I wouldn't even dare you to try it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vervo Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 it's this line that's the telling part Warning: You NEED to add more aquarium filtration capacity!!! Although, now that I click on your link again it doesn't say that any more... It was definitely there the first time. yeh, cos the first time got the filter rate set to 113l/h, which was wrong. correction that we are using ELITE CRYSTAL FLO 40 CANISTER FILTER. with ammonia remover filer media. http://www.thereefshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=10&products_id=1661 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 I am about as subtle as that bull in the vero ads. However I do know that I can't convince everyone, so I'll just stop now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vervo Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 got no tv for ages, I wouldn't know what ad that is :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-obstacle Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 yeh, cos the first time got the filter rate set to 113l/h, which was wrong. correction that we are using ELITE CRYSTAL FLO 40 CANISTER FILTER. with ammonia remover filer media. http://www.thereefshop.com.au/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=10&products_id=1661 Ok, fair enough. I'd be taking that water down to your LFS for a test anyway, just to be sure the filtration is all working well. Otherwise, I hope you find out what's causing these deaths, it sucks to lose a fish let alone a bunch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vervo Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 yeh... :roll: but my lose means I can get more new fishes. :oops: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the-obstacle Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 yeh... :roll: but my lose means I can get more new fishes. :oops: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: :lol: addict! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Snowman Posted September 23, 2010 Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 How long has the tank been setup? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vervo Posted September 23, 2010 Author Report Share Posted September 23, 2010 half year or longer, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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