LoveArowanas Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 I have 4 of them in a 180L Juwel and they hide about 98% of the time. Theres about 20 other fish in there, which are 2 Madagasgers and the rest are Head n Tail lights, green eyed rasboros, Glo Light Tetras, a small red tailed shark and Kuhli loaches. All fish are smaller than the clowns except the Madagasgers. I know they are better in larger groups (but thats what the fish stores say about most the fish) I just hoped 4 would be enough Do I need to get more Clowns to get them active? Or are they spooked by the other fish? I would just get more except its starting to get a few too mnay in there than I would like Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 Do I need to get more Clowns to get them active? I'd say so, but then again I might be biased. You certainly won't see many real group dynamics with only 4, ideally 10 would be a minimum. I'd suggest more loaches and more hiding spots, they'll be much more active when they feel secure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 you need more. in a very densly planted tank - min 6, normally you'd need 8+ to see cool behaviour. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted May 29, 2010 Report Share Posted May 29, 2010 I had three and mine were out and about all day lone. But I agree the more the better. If you are intending to keep them long to term. Just remember they need a much larger tank over time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LoveArowanas Posted June 1, 2010 Author Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 Thanks for that, how long do you think it would take them to grow to a size which would make my 180L too small? This makes me even more set on not wanting too add many more clowns tho David, My subscrate if made up of big and very big pebbles and I have a large holey peice of driftwood as well as plants so I dont think lack of hiding places would be it. Others have also told me they kept 2-4 very active Clowns so I wouldnt mind knowing what im doing wrong. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 They have been know to get way ove 3ft. But generally 2ft is most general size. The largest and oldest I know of with fish mated would be one in America which is just of 3ft and is 25 years old and has always been in a large tank with heaps of its own kind. Tank of 5,000g. Mega large. I would say a few years, but then I would be thinking of stunting or up-grade. mac Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted June 1, 2010 Report Share Posted June 1, 2010 They have been know to get way ove 3ft. But generally 2ft is most general size. The largest and oldest I know of with fish mated would be one in America which is just of 3ft and is 25 years old and has always been in a large tank with heaps of its own kind. Tank of 5,000g. Mega large. Are you talking about clown loaches or clown knife fish?????? OP; a 180L (not sure of dimensions but it doesn't really matter) isn't really big enough for anything but a temporary home for clown loaches. Ideally they wouldn't be kept in anything smaller than a 4' long tank from the get go, and moved into something 5-6'+ in length by the time they hit 10-12cm to avoid stunting them. You could keep them in a smaller tank for longer with out any adverse effects to their health, other than slow growth and probably never reaching close to their potential size. They may be slow growing but they are a large active fish that requires a lot of swimming space. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
mac Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Clown Loaches. Not the Knife. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Who ever told you that is yanking your chain. 12" is generally accepted as the maximum size. There are a few claims of bigger wild caught ones but I'm yet to see a pic with anything showing scale. Anything even close to 12" in aquaria is massive, my largest is only about 7-8". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 ive seen them bigger than 12'' .. possibly 15-16'' 36'' is a bit much though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 In an aquarium? I hate to be sceptical but surely by now there would be some pics somewhere online confirming it, I've heard countless stories of wild caught loaches between 12 and 24" but I've never seen a single pic of anything over 12". In fact I haven't even seen a pic of a 12" one, there are a couple on loaches.com that are close though. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted June 2, 2010 Report Share Posted June 2, 2010 Colin, a member in Mosgiel, has a number of clown loaches over 20 years old. They would be around 25cm I estimate. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishplants Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 Colin, a member in Mosgiel, has a number of clown loaches over 20 years old. They would be around 25cm I estimate. Wow! 20 years old! Is that a typical lifespan? 10" is a damn big fish (as far as home aquariums go). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 Wow! 20 years old! Is that a typical lifespan? 10" is a damn big fish (as far as home aquariums go). viewtopic.php?f=4&t=39056&hilit=sweety Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fishplants Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 viewtopic.php?f=4&t=39056&hilit=sweety Thanks Smidey, that is a cracker fish! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 Wow! 20 years old! Is that a typical lifespan? 10" is a damn big fish (as far as home aquariums go). I'm sure there are older clowns out there, they are a large slow-ish growing fish therefore probably have quite a long lifespan. My oldest ones I've had for 6-7 years and they were already around 3" when I bought them. [go to http://www.monsterfishkeepers.com/forum ... .php?f=282 if you want to see the pics that were here] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zayne Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 have you got enough? how many are there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 you'll have to click the links because of the stupid image size restriction (yes I am going to moan about that every time I post a picture!). Stupid image size restriction? It's there for a reason. Not everyone who uses this forum has the internet speed and/or capacity to view 800x 600 or higher. Hell, even waiting for a page full of 640x480's is a pain for me sometimes. Then there's the international forums, their images are even bigger. Personally, I won't click a link to view an image most of the time unless I expect it to be good. It's not too hard to reduce an image size by a couple of hundred pixels. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Zayne Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 that is ALOT! i counted 27 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 Stupid image size restriction? It's there for a reason. Not everyone who uses this forum has the internet speed and/or capacity to view 800x 600 or higher. Hell, even waiting for a page full of 640x480's is a pain for me sometimes. Boohoo, are we really going to be restricted to posting tiny low-res pictures until everyone on the planet has finally upgraded their 33.6k modems and 15" CRT monitors? Those pics add up to a grand total of about 180kb, hardly massive, the problem with the stupid image restriction is that it works on the DIMENSIONS of the picture, not the SIZE meaning that I could post an ultra hi-res 2mb 640x480 but can't post an 80kb cropped 900x350 full tank shot. But I digress.... Zayne, there are 30 there, plus one American Tiger. They range from about 7.5" (there are a couple of fat gravid females in the pics) to about 2.5". Great fun to watch at feeding time, but expensive to keep fed!! I'll make a video when the water in the 810L has cleared up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
phoenix44 Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 why don't you just resize them to 640x480? fish are pretty visible in the pic underneath.... or post the thumbnail link? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 Because I usually post them on on other forums and don't see why I should have to resize them for this one, especially when they are already small (usually under 100kb). Thats why I usually don't bother posting pics here, maybe I should just stick to that... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SamH Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 I could post an ultra hi-res 2mb 640x480 Really? I'm pretty sure there's a size restriction there too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Scottie841 Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 Because I usually post them on on other forums and don't see why I should have to resize them for this one, especially when they are already small (usually under 100kb). Thats why I usually don't bother posting pics here, maybe I should just stick to that... Maybe you should! It would be better than moaning! It is not had to do and there are still a lot of people that can not upgrade because they don’t have the ability to. I hate it when people think if they have it everyone should. Get in the real world and realise not everyone can access (or afford) broadband. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
David R Posted June 3, 2010 Report Share Posted June 3, 2010 Maybe you should! It would be better than moaning! It is not had to do and there are still a lot of people that can not upgrade because they don’t have the ability to. I hate it when people think if they have it everyone should. Get in the real world and realise not everyone can access (or afford) broadband. No problem, I'll leave the pics for people like you who make such great contributions to this forum. Do you actually keep fish? I don't recall ever seeing you posting pic of them. If anyone wants to see the pics of my loaches have a look at the Loach forum on www.monsterfishkeepers.com :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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