Peacock common names

[firenzenz]

Was having a chat yesterday with a another obsessive but far more knowlegeable peacock lover like myself, and we were talking commmon names for peacocks, which leads to my question.

What scientific names are you putting to these common names and are any doing the same job-ie: two more common names for scientific name.

Might be a silly question but The confusion between the two can cause problems between species within the genus as much as variants within the species.

bewlow are 10 common names, and I'm interested to see what scientific named species you think each belongtoo.

eg. 1( red shoulder)= labidichromis Caruelus

1. red shoulder peacock

2.blue peacock

3.lemon jake

4.sunshine

5.firebird

6.Blue orchid

7.ruby red

8.German Red

8.Gold Hybrid

9.Rubenscens

10. Yellow peacock

I'm mostly interested in the possble confusion and possibilty of hybrids within the yellow colours. I see more than a few peacocks whose common names don't seem to corrolate to scientific ones.

Give your first instinct answer rather than surfing the net.

[ryanjury]

Excuse the spelling..

1. red shoulder peacock - A. hansbaenschi (or stuartgranti with various locations)

2.blue peacock - Maybe royal blue hansbaenschi

3.lemon jake - A. jacobfreibergi

4.sunshine - A. Baenshi

5.firebird - A. Rubenscen's

6.Blue orchid A. kandeense (or could be hybrid this is what ive heard they might be)

7.ruby red - A. Rubenscen's

8.German Red - A. Rubenscen's

8.Gold Hybrid - Maybe dragons blood but hybrid so no sc name.

9.Rubenscens A. Rubenscen's

10. Yellow peacock A. Baenshi

Any of the Ruben's could be stuartgranti maleri as they're the same thing or some sort of red hybrid hard to say without knowing more info but that would be roughly what I would put them as. Same with 2 yellow's could be baenshi or even a yellow stuartgranti maleri or hybrid hard to say again.. Depends on where they come from what they look like and what info if any the importer or seller can provide..

Common names are very confusing and it seems that is what are popping up on alot of wholesale lists bizare when they have to be imported with a sc name to be on the allowed list?

[firenzenz]

It's numbers- 4&5 which raised the question.

I've heard the firebird called both "hansbaenschi" as in the States and Jacobfrieberg in Europe( along the lines of Eureka), yet we have adopted Maleri or more specifically the line bred red versions of it for this name.

I've seen and heard Sunshine describe both Baenschi And Maleri here.

Now I've been told that Ruby red, Rubins Red And Rubenscens are all seperate yet I Thought them to be The same fish- Rubescens the line bred Maleri developed in Holland, imported bu P.Rubins into the states hence 'Rubins'. then named Ruby red as well.

As for the Dragons blood/red prime/ Auloncara makeupaname-??

[smidey]

here's a link to the aulunocara species list with common names off the cichlid forum.

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/r ... p?genus=17

[my4age]

Now I've been told that Ruby red, Rubins Red And Rubenscens are all seperate yet I Thought them to be The same fish- Rubescens the line bred Maleri developed in Holland, imported bu P.Rubins into the states hence 'Rubins'. then named Ruby red as well.

http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/red_peacocks.php

here's a link on the red peacock around

[ryanjury]

I'm pretty sure that firenzenz is well aware of those links as he has referred to them already I think what he was asking for wasn't a list of peacock species but what you would consider to be the sc name for the fish in his list if you were just given those common names to have a discussion on it..

[my4age]

the link i posted wasn't directed to firenzenz, as i know he is way more knowledgeable than me the reason i posted it is 2 elaborate on the stuff he just explained in case some readers can't follow up as there are 4 different common names for A.Rubescens

[my4age]

i think ryan has cover most of the scientific name. i've also heard of dragon blood peacock being called strawberry peacock

[firenzenz]

Cheers! for the links -yep know them well.

And I do think that page along with a few like it a valuable tool.

My point is that common names seem to be almost be invented or misappropriated. Scientific names aren't as emotive but save a lot of confusion, particularly in the yellow/Orange colours

Ryan calls firebird A.Rubenscens and I have seen what looks for all money like a Rubescens or at least a Maleri derivitive sold as firebird. yet in the states it's a common name for Hansbaenschi, and A jacofrieberg variant in Australia.

I've see Sunshine referred here as Baenschi again as Ryan has noted yet I was under the impression it was a common name for Maleri and have seen it described as such. Same with yellow peacock-I've seen both baenschi and Maleri with this name on TM and shops.

Royal blue has lasted here yet we aren't quite sure what A.species it is.Stuartgranti Mbjeni has Regal or Royal blue as common names and is a good guess, but..

I know there is an argument for the importers not correctly ID ing them, or not supplying such namers. but there does also seem to a carte blanche(sic) approach to giving imports a common or non scientific name

which might sound cool but is often done so blindly andwhich is going to make it bloody hard to avoid hybrids particularly amongst those colours.

[smidey]

what i have found is virtuaully everything in this hobby is just someones opinion. Often opinions are common, we often get a group "sing one song" & often we get a minority "sing another song". Who's write? we may never know with most.

[firenzenz]

what i have found is virtuaully everything in this hobby is just someones opinion. Often opinions are common, we often get a group "sing one song" & often we get a minority "sing another song". Who's write? we may never know with most.

Man you were frightening me- I was sure the nxt line was going to be "blowing in the wind"