ryanjury Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 lol that is a good point But if someone like me brought it like I was going to to breed from it would have sucked.. I guess thats all a descent id is good for.. I do keep and breed the line bred hybrids dragons bloods, ob's etc but I was under no misconceptions when I brought them and with all my peacocks breed them in species tanks so there are no problems. All in all if your not breed from them then it doesn't matter, my only concern is if they aren't chilumba and people breed and sell them they could get crossed with the other chilumba's and it could be another species ruined in NZ. Obviously thats pretty extreme. Either way if they're for display and they look good then enjoy them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna_&_Chris Posted February 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 People will id and call their fish what they want I guess, and I guess its just knowing who to buy them off well if everyone would be as encouraging to breed as you and some other people are there would be no peacock breeders in new zealand left at all in a very very short time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Thats awesome Gem what you keeping now Lionheads are one thing I want to get going I have 2 huge males might have to bite the bullet and get a heap of young ones to grow out and get some girls Anna&chris sorry to have come off so mean I just feel very strongly on this point and people naming or breeding peacocks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banaro Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 got same as got 2 huge male lion heads and 2 girlies and picked up some nice male peacocks today jacobs and banshee the banshees have to grow out to go with there females Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 well if everyone would be as encouraging to breed as you and some other people are there would be no peacock breeders in new zealand left at all in a very very short time. That would never happen as there are plenty of people (me included) who have a number of tanks and breed peacocks in their own species tanks I know of at least 9 of them without thinking very hard, not to mention most of our stocks are imported or bred by one of the wholesalers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna_&_Chris Posted February 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 good point , and i dont want it to hapen either. that was the last batch of babies i kept i cant be bothered with more. from the begining i just wanted a show tank. but seriously now tha tgot me thinking, if we name him a royal blue and he realy isnt , it doesnt mean that there wont be cross breeding, it just means we wont know about it. so whatever we name it its not gona help... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banaro Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 thats why you buy from the same sourse or same batch or the same parents ect Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna_&_Chris Posted February 16, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 That would never happen as there are plenty of people (me included) who have a number of tanks and breed peacocks in their own species tanks I know of at least 9 of them without thinking very hard, not to mention most of our stocks are imported or bred by one of the wholesalers yea but you and them are not gona live forever :lol: i can imagine a couple of like 70 year old people telling yound breeders that they do everything wrong and trying to teach them, honestly to me would be easier to stop breeding at all than trying to please experienced old annoyign breederd :lol: pardon :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 Awesome yeah ive got baenshi and jacob's too Baenshi had their first spawn the other day the male is awesome and jacob is colouring up.. Did you get some off the latest list? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banaro Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 got some from a good sourse Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banaro Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 i have been waiting patiently as i will with other species and ill pay for them and know for sure pure as no mixing at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 lol yeah I think I might have got some from the same source awesome fish Yeah we wont live forever and at the end of the day you make no more friends or money or anything from doing it well the only thing I get out of it is breeding descent fish and hopefully someone being happy with what they've brought Hopefully there are always people in NZ who will keep them pure as eventually the lake may get closed and the only thing we will have is whats already in the country which is why I think we need to keep them pure. I guess it doesn't bother you as your not breeding just keeping a nice male only display tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
banaro Posted February 16, 2008 Report Share Posted February 16, 2008 yup i think it was the same source cant argue the qaulity my boys look stunning and only an inch and a half yayyyyyyyyy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropheus Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Anna. Got any more pics?? The Chilumbas I purchased 3-4 months ago (not from anna) have been growing well into something THATS NOT CHILUMBAS. The person that sold them to me has moved house so I am unable to return them. If i find his new residential address I will be posting all 12 back to him one by one or unless he refunds my money. These guys resemble a Royal Blue shape. Not elongated like a Chilumba. :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Mike Did you get yours from Ken? Its a shame when people get ripped off paying top $$ for fish that aren't what they're supposed to be. From the pics that Anna has provided I'm sure her's are royal blues too they are rather thick not long like chilumba.. It maybe hard to tell as the pic's are not directly side on. Did you look at the pics Mike? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna_&_Chris Posted February 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 ill try to take a pic from the side, after i had the talk with ryan i was keeping an eye on him and trying to look into him and understand again, they so dam close. ill try to catch a good picture, and il post it here . hes always moving so hard to catch.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna_&_Chris Posted February 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 i dont care if you say hes royal bluefor sure il be thinkin that hes royal blue.. i am comfused myself, didnt do it for getin more money as i simply didnt know that it would even matter how much they will cost and al that. but now my mind is disturbed and i want to figure out What he actually is! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Yeah fair enough and then you'll have to contact all the people who you sold them too and tell them what you sold them wasn't actually chilumba (if thats the case which im pretty sure of) and put that right too.. I know that it probably doesn't matter to you what people sell them as, but to those of us that put alot of time energy money and passion into keeping the cichlids in NZ pure it is a big deal.. Mike any chance of some pics of yours? Even if you email them to me ill happily post them for you.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna_&_Chris Posted February 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 oh thatd be hard to do! il see if ive got trademe emails still saved thatd be the only way as i dont keep the emails in my mailbox.... although most of people that bought them just liked that they were blue thats al.. as i said before some of people didnt even know they were freshwater... so had to explain al principles of keeping them... if you see carl though or have contact with him you can suggest that they mite not be chilumbas, althought il still take some pics and will try to double check what they are.. what if they really are.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Yeah it would be hard but it would be the right thing to do.. If I brought a fish as something and found out myself it wasn't I would be annoyed.. But if the seller emailed me and explained it would make more sense.. Yes alot of people brought your fish because they were pretty but they can and probably will breed for them and they will probably pass them on so pays for them to know whats going on with them. aAnd there may have been people like I would have that were planning to buy them to breed with their fish, I would have noticed before I bred them with my chilumba's though as they're a different shape but I would have been angry to find out I had brought something that was incorrectly id'd. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna_&_Chris Posted February 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 how to tell the difference between the females though? to me females of chilumba and royal blue look the same, my female is really dark,pretty much black. and look to be the same shape to me as royal blue females... ? how do i tell the difference? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Thats the problem with peacocks, if you don't get them from reliable sources it is impossible to tell the difference, your female could be a royal blue red shoulder, maleri or any number of other females that the previous buyer brought from an assorted tank or a pure source who knows? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna_&_Chris Posted February 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 the guy that i bought them from sed they were both the same type , when they bred the babies turned out to be the same as the father... they not brother and sister though... dam now im so comfused.. who is he who is she... aaaaaaaah my head. imagine how they feel when they dont know who they are they probably depressed :lol: i would be Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anna_&_Chris Posted February 18, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 here found a video of him, the video should help maybe, hes chasing other fish in the begining and you can see him sideways, then he with his front and the rest of the video hes like that, they think im gona feed them. its an old setup btw. theres a link to another video as well . Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tropheus Posted February 18, 2008 Report Share Posted February 18, 2008 Will gets some pics soon. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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