Fluffypants Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 We recently put a Female Siamese in with Our Male Siamese and she is showing no interest in him. We put him in an isolation tank as he was chasing her round and she didn't like it. Now the male Siamese is building a bubble nest, How do we know when she is ready and when to take him out? Is this behaviour part of the spawning process? Fluffypants junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 You don't take the male out. You put the female in then take her out after they've done their thing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffypants Posted January 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 I think i wrote it out wrong. :oops: i ment the guppy breeder things you know the little plastic breeder things that go inside the normal tanks Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naz_Nomad Posted January 19, 2008 Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 The bars in the female's colouring change once she's ready to spawn. Keep them seperated (i.e., her in the breeder cage thing) til the "first egg" shows - this is actually the female's egg tube thing. Once that shows and the male is all excited and flaring at her you can remove the female and let her join him. There will be chasing, but make sure there is a hiding place for the lady fish so she can get out of his sight occasionally for a rest. Eventually he will entice her to the nest, she will become submissive and swim head down about 30 degrees or so then they'll get it together under the nest. Once eggs are seen in the nest and he's busy collecting the falling ones, remove her from the tank or he'll get aggressive trying to defend the eggs from her approaches. Once the fry are hatched and free swimming, remove him or segregate him. Good luck with the breeding!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffypants Posted January 19, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 19, 2008 thanks very much, will do that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffypants Posted January 21, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 She has just started flaring at him now I was told that that isn't a good thing and that the female is supposed to be more submissive. is this true? :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 she will flare at him, if she is not in the same tank as him it will be time to put them together. once she stops being scared, she will flare and then she will start to follow him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naz_Nomad Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 Submissive is when he drags her to the nest for the dirty deed. She'll float around just under the nest when she's ready, head down about 30 degrees or so, then he'll have his wicked way with her and WILL NOT call her again! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted January 21, 2008 Report Share Posted January 21, 2008 :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffypants Posted January 22, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Submissive is when he drags her to the nest for the dirty deed. She'll float around just under the nest when she's ready, head down about 30 degrees or so, then he'll have his wicked way with her and WILL NOT call her again! The thing is now he wont build the nest he's too busy flaring at her, There are no bubbles any where Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Sometimes they don't build nests until they are in the process of spawning - don't panic, as long as you either have some floating weed or somewhere for bubbles to attach to things should be okay. As long as he isn't knocking her about or the other way around don't panic. Give them some privacy also Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naz_Nomad Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 He can knock together a nest in a few hours. Don't worry, you NEVER buy that rusty vauxhall viva until you have a girl interested, trust me. I have the same situation - just dropped a young stud in with my foxy female fighters. There's plenty of interest and no bubbles. They'll get round to it eventually. Some guys are a little shy and like to get to know a girl before they just jump in and start any major construction projects. I mean, I have been married two months nearly and still haven't started digging my pond. It might be the breeder who supplied your fish, assuming you haven't had them long, might have bred them just before selling them on to the shop you got them from in which case it might not even happen this year. It might be that they're shy, so take Adodge's advice and leave them be. Stop keep dropping chocolates in the tank in the hope she'll get excited and think they're from him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caper Posted January 22, 2008 Report Share Posted January 22, 2008 Naz-nomad wrote: he'll have his wicked way with her and WILL NOT call her again! How RUDE! Does he at least pay her for her services Caper Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffypants Posted January 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 I took her out of the net thing as she had started flaring at him but it was straight back to his old ways, chasing her round. But now things have settled in the space of under an hour. Though now she is flaring at him it's kind of confusing because she will flare at him but will swim away when he flares at her. Is that normal behaviour? That small white tube is showing and has been showing for sometime, what other signs are there? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Naz_Nomad Posted January 23, 2008 Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 Thats perfectly normal behaviour, don't worry about it. They'll do the chasing thing til they're ready and then get down to the nitty gritty. It's nice if there's a hiding place in the tank for the female for when he gets a bit vigorous in his chasing, but if the egg tube is showing and she's flaring back, she's about ready. She should also be showing her stripes, I think, horizontal for breeding, vertical for stress. I may have the stripes thing wrong. No doubt Adodge will tell you about stripes better than me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffypants Posted January 23, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 23, 2008 that's the thing, there are no stripes just scattered blue dots and i think i read its vertical for breeding and horizontal for stress Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffypants Posted January 29, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 29, 2008 I switched females round to see if he would change his behaviour so i put my 2nd female in and took the first out. After awhile i took her out of the breeder and they went crazy. She showed a lot of interest and so did he, until she attacked him . She took off over half of his fins in 1 go (I saw her swim away with blue fin in her mouth). I took her out and put her back in the breeder. He became very shy and spent the next 24 hours (roughly) at the bottom hiding. So i took her out and put her in the main tank now all the 2 females do is fight. Should i put 1 of the females back into the tank with my main man straight away, or let them settle down first??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted January 30, 2008 Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 Give them a few days (Probably a week) apart and try again. Males tend to get very nervous once they have been attacked. Are you sure the second one is a female and not a short finned male? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffypants Posted January 30, 2008 Author Report Share Posted January 30, 2008 no, but I'm quite certain she's a female. But she has that egg tube showing so she must be a girl. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Adrienne Posted January 31, 2008 Report Share Posted January 31, 2008 Can you post a pic of her/him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffypants Posted February 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Having good progress and pics will be up shortly. The breeding has almost begun she and him are having "special hugs" his bubble nest is coming along nicely. She is huge so I'm pretty sure she's full of eggs and about to burst. I can't wait. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffypants Posted February 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 Success! we have eggs i wasn't home but in 20 minutes there was about 30 eggs. what do i do next? How many eggs should i expect? FP junior Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fluffypants Posted February 3, 2008 Author Report Share Posted February 3, 2008 FP Senior here.... Here's a pic of both girls, both sporting shredded fins after their encounters with the male. He's in a worse state than them though. Pretty certain they are both female as they've both had big bellies at different times. The red finned one is responsible for the eggs. She is now out of the male's tank but the females are no longer getting on. Hope the pic comes out okay Thanks for all the helpful advice given to FP Jnr...she's rapt she's about to be a 'grandma' Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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