Benny Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 ok here you are pegasus. this is continued from name that fish 19. what fish stores actually have specialised brackish tanks? there are none in wellington, but I know that hollywood fish farm does as I have got my archer and orange chromide from them. The green chromides looked really bad when I was last up there. does anyone know how big green chromides will get anyway? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 Thank you finally Benny. After sixteen.... Yes 16 unrelated emails arriving in my mail to things with nothing to do with the quiz I think it was only right that someone complained. Nothing wrong with the posts, all interesting stuff in the right section, and this section need a few interesting topics. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Posted May 26, 2002 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 got a bit carried away i guess Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 EVERYONE got carried away.... Now about those Chromides... Talk to us :) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Posted May 26, 2002 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 yeah back to the chromides- its sad that indeed WP do have them in FW, when i went up to PN for the hurricanes game i had a look at them. they had about 10 all in the same freshwater tank and all looking in bad health. as i said it is sad because they are nice looking fish usually. i feel they need to setup a brackish section of wet pets so then they can properly accomodate such fish as the green chromide. they could also get some archers! I think i was very lucky to get one earlier on this year from hollywood fish farm- I have never seen or heard of one since! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 Hi Benny, Read your PM (Private message) Just looked to see if Wet Pets were on the net, but it seems they are not. If you feel the fish in question are suffering you could contact the shop and explain your situation. If you are a regular in the shop then perhaps they might listen to you, or you could suggest they log on here to see the reactions they are getting by keeping fish that it seems they know nothing about. JMO of course. Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Posted May 26, 2002 Author Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 nah i am not a regular in wp as i live in wgtn. midas said he will ask, so i will wait and see Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted May 26, 2002 Report Share Posted May 26, 2002 I am probably what you would call a regular there as they know me so I will ask as politely as I can next time I am there. I know they have set up temporary brackish tanks for other fish they have got in, like some puffers they had. So you never know I might be able to convince them. In regards to how big they get, they get to about 40cm I think? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 I have been out to WP and I talked to some more junior members of staff and after a brief discussion they said they would ask the boss. So they may get a brackish tank for them and they may not. I don't think they were 100% convinced with what I had to say as they seemed to think the fish were doing "really well". Even though one of the four only had a stump left for a tail (looked like fit rot had eaten it away, probably developed after being nipped from one of the other chromides, as he was still getting harrassed when I was there). The 1st staff member I asked about it said "what is brackish water?". Oh well fingers crossed, I'll keep an eye on what they do with them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 Hi Midas, Well at least you tried, and hopefully they will sort it out, or get some decent staff that understand the needs of certain fish. Might be time to suggest they join the New Zealand Fishroom :) To be fair to the shop, according to my books the Orange Chromide should be kept in fresh clean water with around a quarter teaspoon full of salt added for each litre, but if this would then class the water as "brackish" I don't know, perhaps someone else could clear up exactly how much salt a tank needs before it is classed as brackish?? Regards Bill Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 These aren't orange chromides, they are green chromides E.suratensis. Green chromides I think are definitely brackish water, and need brackish water to live any length of time. Caryl made a comment earlier (in name that fish 19) saying they require brackish water as well. What does your reference say? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pegasus Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 Like me, my books are pretty well worn and quite old, but the Etroplus suratensis in my books is called the "Banded Chromide" (Bloch) Here it says they need one tablespoon to every four litres, or the equivalent of 10% seawater, so I assume this "could" be classed as brackish. Either way, if the fish "are" indeed suffering then something should be done about it. They have no website, but do have an email contact listed in the yellow pages. Apparently the fish is a food fish in India and grows to around 8cm, but around 40cm in captivity and can be quite aggressive and only be trusted with fish of a similar size. They congregate in the brackish areas of rivers but are very seldom found in actual marine conditions. The article ends by saying "along with their inability to do well in fresh water this will always keep them from becoming favorites among aquarist" I personally can't ever remember keeping Chromides, but I hate to hear of any fish suffering through neglectful shopowners, should this be the case. This site seems to have some good info on the Chromides. http://www.mongabay.com/fish/asian_cichlids.htm Regards Bill (Pegasus) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Posted May 27, 2002 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 green chromides need brackish water and can tolerate salt for a while i think. how the hell can they say that they are doing fine? going from what i saw they look bloody awful. and they dont know what brackish water is! its like last time i was up they had a juvenile siver arowana, maybe you can back me up here midas, but anyone could have walked off the street and bought it even though they get to 4'. They are way more interested in money when it comes to issues like that. i feel that a lot of shops now should be asking how big yor tank is and what sort of fish you have in it. the old story of having a 50l and someone coming in and buying a juvenile oscar. infact have any of you been to the botanical gardens in wgtn? for a while there people were dumping unwanted fish into the tropical indoor pond with the swordtails in it. they found a nearly 2' plec in the pond! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 Apart from the one with no tail they didn't look too bad, but then I'm not sure exactly what there supposed to look like when healthy as I haven't seen them any where else (anyone found any good pics online?). They seemed to have their fins clamped which is generally not a good sign. So I wouldn't of said they were doing really well at least. Benny, if you said there was ten when you were there a couple of months ago there are only 4 now. Hopefully they sold them to someone who knows what they are. The staff at WP used to be top notch but knowledge wise it seems to have slipped a bit over the last few months as they lost their two most knowledgable members. The new staff probably just need a bit more experience so that they don't try selling a baby aro to a beginnner with a 2 ft tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted May 27, 2002 Report Share Posted May 27, 2002 "Brackish water is halfway between fresh and marine. It is found in estuaries where the river meets the sea. Depending on the tides, or season, the salinity (saltiness) can vary greatly." So begins the article "Try A Bit Of Salt" written by me and found in the Aquarium World Dec. '95 magazine. I will send a copy of this to Cees and ask him to add it to the articles section of The Fishroom. It details how to set up a brackish tank (perhaps Midas could print off a copy to give to the shop) including what gravel, filtration, plants and salt to use. It talks about covers, lighting, hydrometers (to measure specific gravity s.g. - salt content). Also covered are what species of fishes are suitable for the brackish tank and suggested stocking levels. I will send it to Cees as soon as possible and hope it will be useful. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Posted June 21, 2002 Author Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 what ever happened to those chromides midas? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted June 21, 2002 Report Share Posted June 21, 2002 They still have the 4 of them there and they are still in the same tanks as before. Except for the one with no tail the others are looking ok. Not sure if they put any salt in there or not. They are $14 each. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Posted June 22, 2002 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2002 I saw on a website that sells exotic fish such as the blue dempsey has for the first time ever in the hobby some of the only other asian cichlid. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Posted June 22, 2002 Author Report Share Posted June 22, 2002 http://www.tangledupincichlids.com/images/canar2.jpg amazing- the only fish available in the hobby. Maybe someone should pay the 400 us dollars and import them here! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Posted July 1, 2002 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2002 well everyone, I was up at wet pets today and there are no more chromides. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted July 1, 2002 Report Share Posted July 1, 2002 Thats interesting, they had still them on Friday when I was there. Must have sold them over the weekend. Someone must have finally liked the look of them as they have been for sale for a long time. Were you intending to buy them? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Posted July 1, 2002 Author Report Share Posted July 1, 2002 nah i actually went up for a jack! but oh well, they had none left. those strawberry blues though... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted July 1, 2002 Report Share Posted July 1, 2002 should have let me know, could have met you out there. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Benny Posted July 2, 2002 Author Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 another possibility is that the chromides died. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Midas Posted July 2, 2002 Report Share Posted July 2, 2002 I think that they were sold as I was talking to the staff member that sold them today. Also, there is still one left when I was there today, but in a different tank to where the other three were. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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