smidey Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Hi all, i got a copy of what africans are currently available from suppliers. Due to my lack of experience I am having trouble finding the fish on the cichlid forum species register, can you please give me the latin name to these common names? I would like to see a pic so i can decide whether to get any. Noted as: Ps. Zebra - Orange (is this Metriaclima estherae?) Ps. Zebra - Marble, albino, & ice blue. Ps. Demansoni & tropheous. Peacock Marble Peacock Tangerine tropheus Moorii Firefox (new) tropheus Moorii double star (new) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Ps. Zebra - Orange (is this Metriaclima estherae?) - probably red zeb as you've said. Ps. Zebra - Marble, albino, & ice blue. Ob zebra maybe estherae, albino zeb and ice blue ice blue http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/s ... php?id=794 Ps. Demansoni & tropheous. demasoni - http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/s ... php?id=849 Unsure what Ps tropheous is. Peacock Marble - ob peacock - hybrid, these are cool fish I have a male I got off the list a few months ago that looks wicked, no guarantee's on any sort of colartion it can vary heaps http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/s ... hp?id=1372 Peacock Tangerine - unsure possibly hybrid similar to dragons blood I haven't seen these. maybe these? http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/s ... hp?id=1315 tropheus Moorii Firefox (new) tropheus Moorii double star (new) Unsure where links are to both of those I have seen the fish when they've come in perviously but the names dont seem to match upto the names on the net.. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/profiles/r ... ?genus=212 Also should add I would want to view the fish before buying any have seen some pretty crapy sick looking africans come in from the wholesalers recently that I wouldn't touch. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanut2110 Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Hi Smidey, I can't help you with the names but I would love to know where you got the list. I keep seeing references to it in discussions but don't know just where this list comes from. I would love to get my hands on one of the tangerine peacocks! :bounce: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Freakyfish Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 OK I have a few for ya Im pretty sure the tropheus Moorii double star (new) are Bulu Pt Ps. Demansoni thats the Latin name Well put Psuedotropheus in front same Brad Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted September 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Hi Smidey, I can't help you with the names but I would love to know where you got the list. I keep seeing references to it in discussions but don't know just where this list comes from. I would love to get my hands on one of the tangerine peacocks! :bounce: i just ask for it at the shop Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanut2110 Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Hi again, I found the site I first saw the tangerines on http://www.bayfish.com.au/category1_1.htm which also has a marbled peacock which they refer to oa OB (orange blotch) but apparently the colours you get in the marbled strain are highly variable. Both are selectively bred so does that mean they won't have latin names? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted September 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Ps. Demansoni thats the Latin name Well put Psuedotropheus in front same Brad Am i wrong in thinking these Ps. Zebras are incorrectly named, shouldnt it say metriaclima zebra ....? how are newbies like me supposed to understand what things are if the "experts" (suppliers that i would've thought they know what they are selling) are labelling them incorrectly? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Yeah like I said in my post they're a hybrid no actual scientific name.. And yeah colours can vary heaps also due to the fact they're hybrids. The zebra's are probably a bit of a mixed bag as to what you actually get alot of them will most likely be hybrids so ps or metriaclima doesn't really matter, theres alot of zebra's that come from the lake "pure" and all look the same with different names anyway so if you try and go from what they were imported and sold as and match them up it gets confusing.. And also importers/stores are probably the worst at naming fish as long as they sell and they make money off them they dont care Peanut do you know what the tangerine peacocks look like? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted September 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Peanut do you know what the tangerine peacocks look like? i thought i saw it further down the page peanut linked to? or you may mean the ones here in nz :oops: ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 lol yeah I dont go on anything I see on overseas sites it does not reflect the strain/quality were going to get in NZ... They look pretty much the same as a dragon's blood to me from that site. Guess thats the problem with line bred hybrids and common names. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted September 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 lol yeah I dont go on anything I see on overseas sites it does not reflect the strain/quality were going to get in NZ... They look pretty much the same as a dragon's blood to me from that site. Guess thats the problem with line bred hybrids and common names. & dont forget the misinformed suppliers that label them Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Yeah everything is against us for getting descent fish in NZ thats for sure Its just lucky that some have slipped through and hopefully some more will in the future! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanut2110 Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Ok so it's a bit of a lucky dip then huh? How would one go about viewing the fish before you buy them when you have asked the LFS to order it in for you specifically? Don't suppose the importers would send out pics?! :-? From what you are saying, sounds like it's best to go with local breeders where the hybrids/selectively bred are concerned so you get a better idea of exactly what you are going to get... Hmmmm, all good food for thought. Smidey are you going to get either of the peacocks? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted September 5, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Smidey are you going to get either of the peacocks? i don't think so after this. I actually want a male baenschi for my two females i ordered as a pair (just to clarify, i ordered a male & female pair) which cost me $100 for them. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 how are newbies like me supposed to understand what things are if the "experts" (suppliers that i would've thought they know what they are selling) are labelling them incorrectly? From the years of watching here, I wouldn't call them experts. The zebra albino & blotch zebras could be anything. From a pure species to a hybrid. You wouldn't know until you saw them. Go with hybrid. Ps. Demansoni & tropheous. I would say if the tropheous has ps in front of it. They have miss spelled the species name. There are Pseudotropheus tropheops. Peacock marble & tangerines are most likely hybrids. The tropheus ones mentioned don't exist in a Tang book I have. You would have to wait & see. Why they haven't used a proper variant name. oh well. The others are as said above. P. demasoni are that, Orange zeb could be Metriaclima estherae. But you have to view them. The are usually called red zebs. True ones have red tinged eyes. http://www.cichlid-forum.com/articles/met_estherae.php And the ice blues, should be these Metriaclima greshakei. Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
peanuts Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 as for the tangerines the ones that i saw were sorta like a faded electric yellow but obviously the shape of a peacock,quite nice but im still undecided on them, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tiden Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Like freakyfish said the Tropheus Double star should be Bulu Points...but I do say should be if you were inclined to get some I would want a photo first or a no obligation to buy if they are not all the same. http://cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=1913 The Tropheus Firefox should be Tropheus Moliro.....Hopefully they would all be the same sp. too. http://cichlid-forum.com/profiles/species.php?id=1910 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted September 5, 2007 Report Share Posted September 5, 2007 Got me buggered why they can't import them under proper names? Be cool if you can get new tropheus. As Tiden said, you would want to look at the whole batch. Firstly to see what they are & if all of them are the same. Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted September 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Hi all, i got a copy of what africans are currently available from suppliers. Due to my lack of experience I am having trouble finding the fish on the cichlid forum species register, can you please give me the latin name to these common names? I would like to see a pic so i can decide whether to get any. Noted as: Ps. Zebra - Orange (is this Metriaclima estherae?) Ps. Zebra - Marble, albino, & ice blue. Ps. Demansoni & tropheous. Peacock Marble Peacock Tangerine tropheus Moorii Firefox (new) tropheus Moorii double star (new) well everyone, i was in my LFS store today & asked about these names & guess what. they are right, the store person produced "Dr Axelrods" fish encyclopaedia which had all the zebras etc named as Pseudo.... These are not named as this on the cichlid forum species register so newbies like me have alot to learn the hard way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 How old is that book? :-? Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ryanjury Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 My thoughts exactly, if the shop don't go and buy the latest edition then they wont have the latest names, either way they're only zebra's who knows if the name is actually what they are or if they're even pure. Most shops will just change the name to "orange zebra" or "blue zebra" when they get in the shops so sc names are lost. And a search under that on the net will tell you what they're like Its when people don't label peacocks or other fish they expect to sell for $90 to $100ea that annoys me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smidey Posted September 7, 2007 Author Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 the book is at least 10 years possibly 15 or 20. They (books) come from a supplier but i cannot remember what the suppliers name was. I would recognuse it if i heard it again. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vegemite Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Fortunately (or more accurately unfortunately), since we have such a small variety of malawis on offer in N.Z you don't really have that much to learn. These are not named as this on the cichlid forum species register so newbies like me have alot to learn the hard way Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
herefishiefishie Posted September 7, 2007 Report Share Posted September 7, 2007 Well there are plenty of up to date books & magazines available. See if any of the lfs can get hold of the "Cichlid Press" range of books. Or the "Back to Nature" Even some of the more common range of books I have, "Barrons" are more up to date than those mentioned above. Frenchy Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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