Aquarium Dude Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 What is the point of an aging drum? And Could you have a sump for a freshwater tank with canister filters on return? Ps. To hide heater etc and to make larger volume Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilknieval69 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Aging water is a way to get rid of the chlorine and/or chloramines in the water. They evaporate out after a few hours. Also, you can pre-heat water when aging it so your fish dont get shocked at all with water changes. Sumps are used in freshwater, mainly to hide equipment, add more volume and give more space for media. Canisters should not be used to pump water from a sump up to a tank as this puts too much head pressure on them. Canisters are designed to be used with no head (intake and out-take at same level) HTH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidb Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 couldn't have said it better. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Caryl Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 me neither 8) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquarium Dude Posted January 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 So how would you arrange a freshwater sump and how big (475l main tank) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidb Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 check out- http://www.fnzas.org.nz/fishroom/-vp126200.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilknieval69 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 For a 475L main tank, i wouldnt use a sump any smaller than 100L's, just because, if the power goes off, you need to have enough room in your sump to have some water drain into until the level gets low enough for the syphon to break. How to arrange it, well if it was me i would have a wet dry trickle tower, with course sponge in top, then filter wool, then bioballs. Then going into some baffles incase of bubbles (heaters in the baffles) then the return pump section on the other side of the baffles. Very simple yet effective setup in a freshwater tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquarium Dude Posted January 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Wet and dry for planted tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilknieval69 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Hmm, maybe not if its planted, as you will lose valuable co2. Um, ohk then, i would go first section for water in, baffles, media section (alternating baffles?? water going over, then under, then over etc.... media inbetween..)Then return section..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilknieval69 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Unless, you have the wet dry trickle fully air tight, then the co2 wont be able to escape and it will be fine Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquarium Dude Posted January 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Sounds complicated... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidb Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 For a 475L main tank, i wouldnt use a sump any smaller than 100L's, just because, if the power goes off, you need to have enough room in your sump to have some water drain into until the level gets low enough for the syphon to break unless you had a non-return valve on the sump to tank pipe :lol: now were talking! yep wet and dry. go for a triccle filter through filter mat, then bio-filtration, then filter mat again(with small trickle holes in the bottom of each tray) then this can sit above the main part of your sump(wich will now act more as a holding device than a filter (thats my reccomendations anywhay- they will probarbly be refuted by other, wiser people on this site :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidb Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 oh sorry- just read you are doing planted. perhaps not trickle filter then- maybe lots of baffles and filter stuff actually in the sump!?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquarium Dude Posted January 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Just another idea... How about somehow intergrating a canister filter into it and have the sump as more of a holding tank? hmm... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
evilknieval69 Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 unless you had a non-return valve on the sump to tank pipe :lol: now were talking! But then you loose valuable LPH Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidb Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 why not just hook the cannister up to the main tank and forget about a sump if you want to do that? why do you want a holding tank. in my eyes you would probarbly do better this way as it wouldn't cost anywhere near as much with the same filtration... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquarium Dude Posted January 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Up volume, mabey... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davidb Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 do you really need to up the volume? is there a heavy fish-load? what filtration do you currently have on the tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquarium Dude Posted January 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 New tank Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquarium Dude Posted January 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 You know, it was just an idea, mabey canisters are the way to go. with the aging bins, would you recomend getting one? What sort of containers do people use? Ps in our hose to get that much water the garden hose is probably the only realistic option Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antwan Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 I would say an aging bin is a good investment. I got a big bin (it says 120L, but i think it's more lie 90-100 for $36) and just put a heater and pond pump with a large, thick hose about 4m long to reach all the tanks. After I've emptied the tank I put the hose in the tank and turn the pump on. When that's finished I fill the aging bin up again, and the process is repeated the next day. Much better than lugging buckets and im sure the fish enjoy the water going in at the same temp (if not slightly lower). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquarium Dude Posted January 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 So using an aging bin would make water conditioner unnessecary? Do you need a bit of surface agitation to get rid of the chlorine? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antwan Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Yea, you don't need dechlorinator as the chlorine evaporates by itself. All I have is the heater so that creates convection currents in the water which must be enough because the fish don't seem to notice anything when the new water goes into the tank. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aquarium Dude Posted January 2, 2007 Author Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Where did you get the container antwan? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
antwan Posted January 2, 2007 Report Share Posted January 2, 2007 Mitre 10 Mega. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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