chimera Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 I found Zeovit did nothing to reduce my nitrates and phosphates How long did you run it? Best thing I've found so far (and believe me, I've tried quite a few things on my tank :lol: ) was rowaphos Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Can't remember it was a few years ago now. I don't have phosphates anymore I run a fluidiser. Nitrates running at 15 steady not worried about it anymore things look great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 wouldn't mind one of those UV thingies but will have to wait till next year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 I don't have phosphates anymore I run a fluidiser. Nitrates running at 15 steady not worried about it anymore things look great i wouldnt be overly concerned either fay, so many tanks I've read about have low phosphates but some small level of nitrates. i've basically dumped packets of food into my tank and still have no readings, have even had the skimmer off for the last 3 days i'm actually TRYING to get a nitrate reading - sort of a test with the acro's that are currently alive to see what they do, figured everything else is dead so what harm can it do! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 chimera, i can save 40ltrs from my next water change if you like, i have a reading of 50, so if you dilute that into you 1000ltrs you should get a reading of about 1.7? :lol: or if you like i can save you 100ltrs from my 25% change and that will give you a reading of about 5? cheaper than all that food im sure.... i have been advised over on the zeo site that my dosing is all wrong, this will be the cause they think. dosing will now be: 4 drops zeofood & zeobak 2-3 times weekly .5ml zeostart 2x daily this is going to cost a lot more that how i was dosing, but if it works..... they also think i will see a decline in nitrate levels in 3-4 weeks, heres hoping. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 chimera, i can save 40ltrs from my next water change if you like, i have a reading of 50, so if you dilute that into you 1000ltrs you should get a reading of about 1.7? or if you like i can save you 100ltrs from my 25% change and that will give you a reading of about 5? it's ok, i think the rate of nitrification in my tank i'd eat your filthy water in a matter of seconds Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 :lol: what are the visual signs of nitrate? only reason i ask is i am still getting sps growth, be it not as much as is possiable im sure, but they are still growing on a weekly basis. i have no algie to speak of, only need to clean the glass twice a week. :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Nitrate often gets blamed for the problems which phosphorous actually causes. Phosphorous is the one to worry about. It's the one which kills stoney corals. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 Well learn something every day! I never picked that up before about the start2 dosing, I've been dosing WAY less than recommended. Think I'll increase it a bit & see what happens. Also JDM I've been thinking about your nitrate it does seem strange for it to increase from 15 to 50, even in a non zeo tank this would be a very high level. Dosing zeovit, even if the doses are wrong, it should still push levels down. Anyhow, it will be interesting to see what happens I guess increasing the start2 so markedly would have to have an effect, but I just wonder if there is some other issue. However, we'll see. Fingers crossed! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 JDM how much do you feed and what skimmer do you have what are your phosphate readings? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 i feed mainly dry food (pellets i got from reef) and frozen misis about every 10 days or so, (i rinse the frozen in ro/di water prior to feeding) i have a deltec ts1250 skimmer and po4 is 0.03 (salifert) it will be interesting to see what happens with the new dosing secdule, seems strange that even with a 25% water change i still dont see a marked differance in nitrate readings, i will be doing a 25% change tonight, i will test before and after to give an accurate differance. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 test somebody elses water with your test kit or even better let somebody test your water just incase you do something wrong because 50 is extremly high Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM Posted November 8, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 i have used 2 test kits on my water, salifert and aquarium pharm, both give similar reading +/-50, tested the NSW i use, both kits read 0. must be somthing causing it, but cant think what. :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 might be a silly ques. but do u have any plastic media or filter wool ANYWHERE, i ask cos i have seen it in overflows etc, and AK shops still sell it to poor buggers :roll: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krama Posted November 8, 2006 Report Share Posted November 8, 2006 so, Steve should we be using anything? or just not plastic? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 should we be using anything? or just not plastic? good to run filter wool occassionally, just to strip detritus from the water column. long term continuous usage not recommended though. some forms of plastic are bad - i think layton knows more on this. pvc piping is ok although i guess all plastics leach, albeit very slowly Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Krama Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 where do you pick up the right kind of stuff? I would hate to put the wrong type in there and kill off everything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 funny you say that, i used a softish plastic toothbrush handle to hold the pillar of rocks together in my tank wondering if thats been slowly leaching over the past year and adding to phosphate problems?! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM Posted November 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 no filter wool, in fact i havnt had any filter wool in my tank since may ish, maybe ill throw some in just to see how dirty it gets. the only non pvc plastic (other than pumps etc) is some plexy glass that is the baffels in my current sump and i used the same product for the baffels in my last sump, i beleve it is lexan but cant be sure, can that lbe the cause???? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 maybe ill throw some in just to see how dirty it gets. in 1 night - very, guarantee it! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 chimera You have a large tank... can't remember the liters but want do you use besides zeovit. Reason I ask is I have just started using it again in my new tank 800l, tank is 4-6 months old. My last tank used zeo and I did not have the problems I am having now. Mind you I used ASW and did more regular water chages while now I use NSW and do 20% monthly, except this month due to the weather. Been using Biodigest and my problem of gunk on my sand has gotten worse. Oh never vacuumed the sand but will soon which might help. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM Posted November 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 zeo guide say 10% weekly water changes, seems that most people say you must stick to this, I'm not sure what happens if you don't as i have always done the 10% weekly, even prior to zeo. on a different note, it is strange that i am getting different instructions on the zeo forum to how i was originally told to use it, i even have the piece of paper that zeovitnz gave me when i started with the dosing ratios on it, these are not similar to the new dosing instructions i have received from the zeo thread..... :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 on a different note, it is strange that i am getting different instructions on the zeo forum to how i was originally told to use it, i even have the piece of paper that zeovitnz gave me when i started with the dosing ratios on it, these are not similar to the new dosing instructions i have received from the zeo thread..... :-? It's been that way for years. It's because the way it works is difficult to control. There were product reformulations shortly after introduction to the US market after they found that some parts killed corals, even when used as instructed. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JDM Posted November 9, 2006 Author Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 i am just up loading some pics i took of my tank tonight, i will post them in my tank thread, be interesting to hear thoughts on how it looks considering the nitrate level at the moment..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alan Posted November 9, 2006 Report Share Posted November 9, 2006 Keep it nice please . Thankyou Alan 104 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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