Pies Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 A few weeks ago Suphew chucked a Laguna 7 pump into his tank, it has a DIY strainer on it, about a foot long wrapped in filter wool. I remember going over there and commenting on how dirty the filter wool was. Even after just one day, it was a dirty mushy brown colour. He has had an outbreak of cyno and calurpa so just assumed it was related to that. In the weekend I chucked this pump into my own tank. After 24 hrs the filter wool was filthy. I have repeated this a few times, same thing every time. My water is cristal clear, and was before hand. Skimmer output doesn't appear to have changed. Anyone else running filter wool on a power head? Be interested to know other peoples experances. Pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Its the sand tick tock tick tock Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tel Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 i sometimes run filter wool under my outlet to the sump (3000ltrs/hr) and the wool is really dirty quite quickly. just started to try a 100 micron? filter sock yesterday and its picking up heaps so far (started yest arvo) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puttputt Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 What did he do about the cyno Pies, got a bit myself. Considering a short burst of vodka. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted September 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Cyno remains as far as I am aware. I think he sucked a lot out, but it persists. Its cyno season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 Isn't this kind of expected? If you're not expecting stuff to get trapped in filter wool in a powerhead, how do you expect the skimmer to remove anything? The stuff that ends up in the skimmer cup was obviously floating in the water, so why shouldn't the filter wool get dirty? Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted September 5, 2006 Author Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 So its normal then? I am not concerned about it, my tank is going great guns. It just surprised me as to how dirty it got in such a short period of time. Piezola Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reef Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 some info i came across. This month before finishing I want to take up a matter that whilst not strictly a disease, is one that causes many losses in Marine Aquariums. The subject is Cyanobacteria, aka Red Algae. I get many calls about it as we have a product for getting rid of this. However I have for a few years been investigating the underlying reasons for this phenomena & would invite those Hobbyists who have this problem & would care to cooperate in some research to contact me. There are several references in the literature to the alleged fact that Cyanobacteria are supposed to thrive when the Phosphate levels are excessive. Many times Hobbyists have contacted me to say, that they are plagued by "Red Algae", but that their Phosphate levels are either zero, or almost so. I began a few years ago to make some preliminary investigations, as I had a suspicion that perhaps the cause was not PO4, (inorganic Phosphate), but in fact PO3 (orthophosphate or organic ). At that time, some 10 Hobbyists were kind enough to send me samples of their water & in every case I tested the water showed as they said almost no PO4, but substantial PO3 values. I would very much like to take this research a little further, & would invite any of you who would be kind enough to cooperate, to let me have a sample of your Aquarium water, in a clean small container ( safe for shipping), from an Aquarium experiencing this scourge. I will reply with my findings to each person who sends me a sample. Also if any of you out there, have any idea how the PO3 becomes transformed in the biological interactions that take place in an Aquarium, I would like to have your ideas, as well as any references in the literature, as I have been unable to find any. This would be important in trying to find some methods of prevention, rather than cure. As the several Phosphate "sponges" or similar on the market, only remove PO4, such would be a most useful contribution to the Hobby, as so many beautiful Reef Tanks are ruined by this "slime". Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puttputt Posted September 5, 2006 Report Share Posted September 5, 2006 what do you recommend then, will rowaphos work, or should I give vodka a limited run? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trinity Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 I had a small cyno problem that would not go away. Checked everything and my maintenace regine--------all fine decided to try talking to a vet as a last resort He prescribed a tablet back in April did a dosage that month it still came back, but in a much smaller amount did another dosage in June and the tank has been cyno free since :bounce: :bounce: The tablet has had no bad effect on the reef system I am running Most of my corals have doubled in size Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Sounds interesting Reef, can you link the whole article, plus any follow up you came across? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jetskisteve Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 the tablet was eurothramycin (spell that!) Most people that use it have a another bout of it as its a temp fix Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rossco Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Yup, and the tablet is an antibiotic so that MUST have an impact on your biological filter...just how much is the question! :-? Just that you can SEE the cyno disappearing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trinity Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 the tablet was eurothramycin (spell that!) Most people that use it have a another bout of it as its a temp fix That was the tablet Yes we did have another bout of the cyno, did the second dose and immediately saw a change. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puttputt Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 (spell that!) erythromycin Vodka it is then..... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
trinity Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Yup, and the tablet is an antibiotic so that MUST have an impact on your biological filter...just how much is the question! :-? Just that you can SEE the cyno disappearing. Three months down the track and I havnt had the cyno back and It didn't cause any harm that is obvious, as my fish are still alive, my corals are flourishing and my shrimp are having babies Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 How about attacking the root cause of cyano: phosphorous? Vodka etc may help appearances, but it's just skewing the balance from one bacteria type, to another, less visible type. Doesn't fix the root problem, which is an accumulation of detritus and associated phosphorus. The cyano is there for a reason: to break down rotting stuff. Get rid of the rotting stuff, and you get rid of the cyano. That's the approach i'd take anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 Vodka etc may help appearances, but it's just skewing the balance from one bacteria type, to another, less visible type. Any proof for that? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puttputt Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 ok Layton, I agree, but how. Don't just say remove nutrients, what can I do that I'm not already doing - specifically. and remember my tank is doing great, colour, growth, general health, just patches of PITA cyno. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 nope. If you want proof you'll have to look for it. It'll be good for you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 ok Layton, I agree, but how. Don't just say remove nutrients, what can I do that I'm not already doing - specifically. Flow... get this stuff suspended into the water and to the skimmer where it's removed. You might need to rearrange the existing flow, or it may take more pumps. And you can never have too much flow. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puttputt Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 yep, I think it may be that as well, all ready 3 streams, 2 sieos (junk) and the twin returns... I need 2 more 6100s But will vodka help until then, if its invisible, fine, everything else is great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
puttputt Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 or 2 6200s :-? Can you have 6100s and 6200s on the same controller?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 yip that'll work, same controller. I'd like at least another 3 6100's too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feelers Posted September 6, 2006 Report Share Posted September 6, 2006 If you are adding Vodka you are adding a pretty much pure carbon food source, and skimming goes nuts as a result of the extra bacteria created it. All those bacteria also contain loads of phospherous and other things like nitrogen that get removed, so I dont see how you can say that this is not speeding up nutrient removal?? Thats the whole idea - supplying pure energy with no nutirents. Empty carbs. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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