PhoenixMoor

Hello ! The one everyone seems to use around CHCH for this purpose is one called FintKote. It is now made by Shell. Any industrial coatings place should be able to help you. It is used in hydroponics and fish ponds ect as it is a different base product than others. Good luck ! Rachel.

Hey Sharn, I for one am always glad to hear other sides ! That's actually something I've thought about very carefully. And if I am lucky enough to actually breed some, it will be carefully controlled, as will be the selling of the nymphs (or perfects as the case may be !). I see a lot of nymphs being sold to pet stores without the breeders saying a word about advise of care... I do see both sides and it's something to consider. :)Rachel.

Thanks :lol: Shows what I know !! Rachel.

Wellll..... Here's one the chinese have bred; But imagine him (without those weird nostril things !) in matt black with moor eyes. If you see any more black celestials, I'd love to hear about them !! I'm a big goldfish fan !! I basically like anything over baseball size :lol: Don't know whether they are cold water, but I'm rather impressed with the Arowanas I've seen here. :)Rachel.

Ohhh, I'm so sorry to hear that ! I was lurking when you bought them and they looked so incredible. Good luck with your female, Rachel.

Thanks Fishboi ! (I often read your goldfish related posts Actually I have been pestering breeders for sometime now :lol: I've been asking for excessively long tails and with no dorsal or Albino moors (since Albinism is the only recessive to black....) But no luck yet. I'm always checking out the nymphs though ! I have had breeding goldfish before (crossed my moors with comets in Australia.....) Seems the culling question is everywhere. As I'm looking for the mutants, I would prefer to only cull the ones with life threatning faults and sell off (or give away) the nymphs (or proper style ones) cheap. Realistically, this would only start once I had the right parents (mother must be a moor- father a celestial) and the right amount of room in tanks to raise them. And to be honest, I would never dream of anyone else thinking it should be recognised. Look at the blue phoenix egg fish. It is incredible, but they are fighting to keep it in existance ! http://www.goldfishsociety.org/optimized/fopt8.jpg (probably not the best pic there...) I'd expect it would be at least 10 years due to recessive genes everywhere... Rachel.

BTW, Thanks Wilson. That genetics paper was one of the first ones I read on the subject It has a very good explanation of the recessive telescope eye gene and a few others. The thing I love about this species is the amount of variant alleles in each gene and the effect on the others. Anyway, I think I will be taking copius notes ! Never know who might need this stuff :lol: Rachel.

Thanks guys.... Fishboi, you're right...Most will be nymphs (kinda' the point ! ). My dream fish would be a black moor colour, with the eyes, but the rest a phoenix egg fish. We can't import phoenix egg fish so I'll start from the start. The colour in blackmoors is recessive, so are the telescope eyes and the absence of a dorsal fin. I needed a cross without a dorsal fin, but where the probability of the F2 generation keeping the eyes was existant. Sooo... Celestial. Now I realise that the gold is dominant and more than likely all the F1 generation would be gold telescopes. However, using the mother with the F1s to produce the second generation (Using the maternal gene dominance theory...) there could be a 25% chance of one mutation on the journey - You see where I'm going here.... Let's just say my mind has a little too much to do, and dog breeding takes too much land :lol: :lol: :lol: If someone has the genotypes for all the characteristics, I'd love them. So far I've only got studies involving fin characteristics, telescope vs normal eyes and colour... Rachel.

Hi All, Not sure if this is the correct forum for this question, but I think it's probably a newbie question :lol: Does anyone know which trait is dominant when crossing 2 goldfish (moor & celestial), The telescope eye or celestial eye ? I'm assuming the telescope, is that correct ? Or would some of them revert ? Thanks in advance !!!! Rachel.

Thanks ! I only have an 85l tank at the moment, but have 10mm glass everywhere, so I'll be making a 3 footer very soon :roll: Considering the steps taken to get the phoenix egg fish....I'm sure I'll have tons of them pretty soon :lol: :lol: Rachel.

Hi Guys !! I'm a long time browser of this forum and finally decided to join 8) I live out in Akaroa near Christchurch and as my name suggests...I want to create a Phoenix Moor. I've loved Blackmoors for years and did genetics at uni...now I want to try my hand at creating my dream fish while enjoying them At the moment I'm cycling my latest tank in order to prepare for a couple of moors and hopefully a celestial. I love reading all the posts and find all the info here incredible Rachel.