reef Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 That is a totally awesome pic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JoeBlog Posted June 11, 2006 Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 TM said: Here is another one (Duplicate of TM's pic removed.) Bill. Awesome picture!! Is that piece in your tank TM? If so, are you spot feeding, how often and what type of food? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted June 11, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 11, 2006 Is that piece in your tank TM? If so, are you spot feeding, how often and what type of food? Yes, sitting under my overhang. I feed it 3-4 times a weekon mushie mussel, then the tank get reefroids and reef booster 2-3times a week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted June 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 my devils hand. found it in my overflow when i changed my durso to a cracker. thought it had died long ago. must be well over 2 years now. polyps are always out from 5 pm onwards til early morning cookie or anyone, what is the latin name of this coral?? the only thing i could find was a leather????? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Devils hands are generally Lobophytum spp. L. pauciflorum is the common orange brown with white polyps one. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Feelers Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Surely out of everyone there are more than just 3 people with hard to keep corals? :lol: The pics are all very nice btw! More pics!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 I'm sure others have tried, and failed. I've failed on gonipora, sun corals, and Dendronephthya. Several months then they die. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Devils hands are generally Lobophytum spp. not quite. they are Nephtyigorgia spp. (in older publications often referred to as Alcyonium) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 I've failed on gonipora, sun corals, and Dendronephthya. Several months then they die. i reckon its because we are not doing it right! we try to keep our tanks so nutrient poor, skimmed to the extreme with not a piece of plankton in the water collum, removing all silicate and other potentially needed stuff (?), we don't feed at least 12 hours every day (no twice a day for 2 minutes doesn't really count) to keep these corals healthy. we are spending a small furtune on lighting but don't invest a single cent in a automatic, low pollution feeding system and we still wonder why so many "hard to keep" corals die on us. what does that tell us? we can't be very bright to say the least :-? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted June 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 good point. but nutrient poor tanks is not the problem its that we try and put all sorts of different corals together that can be from different locations, depths etc. that require different conditions Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 It's not just a matter of feeding, it's a matter of what to feed for some of these animals. There is a difference between nutrient poor, and food poor. Ideally our systems should be nutrient poor, but food rich. But to achieve this we need skimmers to remove food before it breaks down into nutrients. It may turn out that it's just not practical to provide the amount and type of food they need, while maintaining low nutrients. I've only ever seen Lobophytum referred to as Devils Hand, while I've seen Alcyonium referred to as Dead Man's Finger? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TM Posted June 14, 2006 Author Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 There is a difference between nutrient poor, and food poor. Ideally our systems should be nutrient poor, but food rich. But to achieve this we need skimmers to remove food before it breaks down into nutrients. is that the definition for a BB tank? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cookie extreme Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 It may turn out that it's just not practical to provide the amount and type of food they need, while maintaining low nutrients. the same was said about sps 15 odd years ago too. and look how things have changed. how easy it is to grow acropora these days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Yip I thought of that when I wrote that. The introduction of a hobby phosphate test kit changed all that. It turns out that acropora's requirements are pretty basic, low nutrients and plenty of light. There may be other practical limitations of keeping these non photosynthetic corals, like being able to culture the right kind of food, (once someone knows what it is). Then being able to supply enough of it, and remove it quickly enough before it breaks down. It may turn out to be like breeding yellow tangs in captivity. Possible to do, but practically impossible for a hobbyist to achieve. Layton Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
suphew Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 I have a reasonable sized lobophytum pauciflorum, I wouldn't concider it hard to keep. But according to Borneman toxic to sps. Sorry about the poor quality pic, camera is crap, this is an old pic as well. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted June 14, 2006 Report Share Posted June 14, 2006 Wow that's a beauty! And they can be hard to keep also, sometimes they will just close up for months I don't know why. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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