tel Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 yep, 1 of my tangs if he stops moving forward will float belly up and then do a backwards 360. his belly looks abit swollen and the way he turns up , its as if he had eaten alot of air. when stationary he cant stay up right. colour looks good and hes eating and also in 1.008 salinity for the past week with a fine bubble streaming filter. :-? any ideas anyone?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slappers Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 sounds like hes holding a fart in Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fay Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Could be constipated don't like the sound of it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
raeh1 Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 I have seen my cleaner shrimp actually pull poo..... out of my tangs bottom. Maybe a cleaner shrimp may remove the blockage. word of advice (DON"T) put your shrimp in water which is at 1.008 salt mix. Also to long with your tang in that salt mix could seriously damage his internals.. Good luck Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tel Posted May 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 his whole body is swollen , however other two tangs seem in perfect health Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Doesn't sound good, you need to sort this or death is likely. He may be swelling because with the water so close to his own salinity he is not able to flush his system properly. I think you should increase salinity to 1.009. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted May 21, 2006 Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 A few other thoughts, if he is not right in 24 hours it may be worth considering pulling him & placing in a seperate system where salinity could be increased a little more. Also, maybe a year or so ago I had a tang that became ill, it stopped eating, swollen belly and hid most of the time but would sometimes zap around, actually crashing into things,like it was in pain. After a few days of this I actually saw it happen, he did his zapping around thing & crashed into glass etc, then something must have freed up he did a HUGE amount of poos, there was stuff floating all over the tank. But from that moment he was completely normal, swelling gone, and behaving normal, made me feel better too . However in your case the obvious thing that is out of the normal is the hyposalinity & should be regarded as a likely cause. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tel Posted May 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 Doesn't sound good, you need to sort this or death is likely. He may be swelling because with the water so close to his own salinity he is not able to flush his system properly. I think you should increase salinity to 1.009. yes i went to 1.010 earlier tonight after my last post and he now looks a bit better. [Did an edit for you in case anyone reading, stops reading there and gets it wrong. Alan-mod.] Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tel Posted May 21, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 21, 2006 1.010...bring back the edit! since gone to 1.013 and hes just about sober Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tel Posted May 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 well mr purple tang was looking really good all day till about 10 pm and then suddenly hes on his side and no energy, floating upside down etc. quite amazing to see the little blue tang come in, get under him and tilt him upright. he did it a few times and seemed to know what he was doing but ive now got him out and in a bowl just about to give him the last rites Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KP Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 sorry to hear Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
slappers Posted May 22, 2006 Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 ANOTHER ONE GONE TO FISHY HEAVEN Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tel Posted May 22, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 22, 2006 despite all efforts i cant kill this guy alive and kicking this morning Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KP Posted May 23, 2006 Report Share Posted May 23, 2006 I guess he needed some air!! Trying to hold his breath too long underwater!! :lol: :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 How's it going Tel? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tel Posted May 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 purple tang has recovered really well but had to take them all out of hypo as tank too small and water fouling too quick. as a result they are in my sump and white spot reappearing . if i could make up my mind what caused him to tip over i could plan a course of treatment. he had a 'tip 'episode in the main tank where water is excellent. so was it the fluctating water quality in the hypo tank or the low salinity itself? :-? i'm tempted to consider 2 options; 1:remove corals and take whole display and sump to 1.009, loads of rock and 700lts to hopefully avoid water quality issues. 2: get a big isolation tank and go copper for 2 weeks. what do you reckon? i thought my live rock didnt work at 1.009 but prob the load too great and tank too small. weird the purple tipped over before all this, im learning something anyway.....what?? ive yet to decipher Wasp did you take alot of rock to 1.009, what size tank and over what period?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 Well real pleased you saved him! A fish with 9 lives!! You may find that what you have done so far is not a complete failure, it will have bought the fish some more time to further develop immunity to the white spot, they may yet throw it off with no further treatment. How much rock did I take to 1.009? To be honest I'm not sure, it was a 4 foot, 220 odd litre frag tank, with perhaps 8 - 10 kg rock and a few fish. I just removed all the frags & wound down the salinity. No issues with ammonia / nitrite, but as I couldn't skim there was a nutrient buildup & growth of green stuff. However this did not bother the fish, in fact they enjoyed eating it. How long for? Sorry can't remember that either but probably 6 - 8 weeks. At the end I restored salinity by draining most of the water & dripping in normal salinty water over a week or so. The fish had to live in shallow water for a few days. Far as I could tell the rock performed normally throughout. Copper is 100% guaranteed to kill all white spot, but of course you will need to leave the main tank fallow for 6 weeks. Copper can also be harmful to fish, I have personally lost more fish to copper than I have to white spot. If you go that route, could be helpful to give the fish as much time as possible before treatment to get their systems up & running again properly before being exposed to the copper. I see you are in Auckland, if you wish I can loan you a cannister with biomedia in it that has been exposed to copper, use this to do the filtration rather than waste some rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KP Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 How effective are UV sterilizers on a quarantine tank? They kill suspended bacteria pretty good, no real need for any microalgae in a quarantine tank. Why don't many people use them for this purpose? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
wasp Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 It is assumed that as they will kill parasites passing through them, they will reduce reinfestation rates, making it easier for the fish to fight what they have. Don't know if they could safely be used with copper, Layton may know. However no need to use with copper as the copper will kill all white spot anyhow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KP Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 I guess it depends on what you use your quarantine tank for. Either as a sterile environment so no nasties are transfered to main system or as a place for your fish to become immune in a semi-medicated environment. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lduncan Posted May 27, 2006 Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 UV and copper? I don't think that's a good idea. I've never used copper, however, I think many copper based medications are organic chelates of copper. If you zap that with UV more than likely you are going to break those bonds. There is obviously a reason why they are chelated, and not just copper salts, so best to use one or the other. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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tel Posted May 27, 2006 Author Report Share Posted May 27, 2006 thanks very much for the offer A. i may take you up on it but ive now decided to go hypo again but on the display. on thinking about it thru my answers to you, ive decided the purples bad state was prob the water parameters rather than the salinity. thanks for that has clarified things so we'll see. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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