Anthony Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 hello where do you have your returns coming from your sump into the display tank does it just come over the back of the tank for did you get a hold drilled for it what are the advantages and disadvantages of a sea swirl what other alternatives are there to the sea swirl what else can we used where abouts do you put them? cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 so many options up and over is easiest (and the only way you can go if you choose a sea swirl) a sea swirls nozzle oscillates 90 degrees left/right which means "filtered water" from the sump is provided back to most areas of the tank rather than just dumped in via a static return. a sea swirl also provides "random" water movement for your corals. drilling is an option but when you drill, you're stuck with that location (unless of course you plug it up and dont use it). up and over plumbing can be moved easier. you need to consider reverse syphoning if you drill, ie: if power goes off level of water will flow back to the sump down to the bottom of the hole you drill. my personal preference is only to drill for closed loops. who knows, you might increase the flow from your return and hook up two sea swirls later sea swirls rock. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 cheers chim how much are sea swirls? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Completely agree with Chimera. Pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 pies what bout price for sea swirl? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 Not sure, about $300 NZD? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 and the sea swirl is good for? just water movement? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 both water movement and a way to plumb your return. go to... http://www.sea-swirl.com/ ...for pricing. 3/4" is probably most common. get the size matched to your return pump, or larger. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 can the sea swirls suck water from my sump or would i need a return pump aswell and what size return pump am i looking at 1060 ehiem will that do the trick? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ira Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 No, sea swirls are not pumps. All they do is turn a nozzle back and forth...$300 for the same mechanism you get in a $10 oscillating fan... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 ira do u have one of those $10 thingys? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 $300 for the same mechanism you get in a $10 oscillating fan... an oscillating fan would leak ira's sarcasm is truely warped! 1. approx what (in metres is fine) is the height of the return? (from the sump to the main tank) measure from the water level in the sump to the water level in the main tank - just roughly will do 2. what size display tank and what size sump (in litres) are you having? 3. what size hole do you have from the overflow in the display to the sump? (if you havent worked out this yet, we'll tell you an approx to go for given the answer to #2) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 1. 1500mm 2.243L to be preicse and thats just the display then theres the sump which witll be pritty much the same size and just sit underneath the display tank which will be 144L so 243+144=387L thats with a 4ft by 2ft by 1.5ft display and 4ft by 1.5ft by 1ft sump 3.havent even got the tank so dont no to number 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 at 1.5m head height an eheim 1060 (or better) is perfect (in fact, thats exactly what i ran on my 4 footer at same head height) this will also provide good rate of flow (around 2,000lph or in other words turning over 10 times your display volume per hour) any additional flow in the display can be done using powerheads like seio's or streams. if you get a sea swirl, 1/2" is fine (or 3/4" incase you upgrade later) 1" is overkill unless you think you'll catch the bug bad and want to upgrade within another 6 months!!! an overflow hole at 25mm is perfect. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 it isnt final on the sump size but diffinate on display size the sump can be no bigger than the display tho cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 all up i reckon eheim 1060 for return pump into 1/2" sea swirl (or just up and over for now, buy sea swirl later), 25mm overflow hole back to sump, eheim 1060 (or 1260/1262) for closed loop for low flow and a couple of seio powerheads for upper flow and you'll be set Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 so that will set me back $120 for ehiem pump return $120 for ehiem pump closed loop $300 sea swirl $120 seios $120 seios =$780 if im correct thats just pumps and shit Any thing else i missed off the list? im still not 100% sure on size of my tank i need help with this first cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 im still not 100% sure on size of my tank i need help with this first so when you said you were 100% sure of display size you were just testing? the best thing you are doing is asking first. if you jumped right in, it can get costly. just make sure you plan hard out first. read pies and my threads to get some good ideas and see where we went wrong. learn from our mistakes and you'll save yourself some dosh! btw anthony, you're just young right? no offence, but budget hard core first (which it looks like you're doing). it can be expensive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 no im 100% sure of display but not of sump im not sure about sump but it cant be bigger than display yes im only young 14 infact but i have a job at the local supermarket Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pies Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 read pies and my threads to get some good ideas and see where we went wrong. I went wrong? Well there was the tank didn't fit through the door so had to use a crane thing... Bah Plan. In fact plan to spend lots of money. Then plan more. Then take the spending plan and double it. Then plan to tell yourself 'last $100 for the tank' about 3x a month... good luck ants, read those 2 post through, there is some good stuff hidden in them and most of your questions will be answered. Pie Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 thanks pies and ill have to come up and see your setup again soon how many shrimp will i be needing? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 what are you planning on keeping? Any thing else i missed off the list? yes, plumbing costs - add $200-$300 what about these other bits and pieces?... protein skimmer lighting freshwater filtration (RO/DI) heater (chiller?) timers test kits buckets live rock, sand fish, coral time patience read pies and my threads to get some good ideas and see where we went wrong. change to 'me' went wrong then Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
chimera Posted October 6, 2005 Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 how many shrimp will i be needing? one zillion and three Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 im not sure what i want to keep so i dont no about lighting as such protein skimmer=AS-150p NEEDLE WHEEL lighting=not sure freshwater filtration (RO/DI)=can u explain this to me? heater (chiller?)=stainless steel 300w timers=bunnings 20 bucks test kits=marster salt water kit likr 60 bucks buckets=got plenty(old mans work) live rock, sand=thats gna be a hard 1 fish, coral=hard again time=... patience=ive waiting this long im sure i can wait a wee bit longer cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Anthony Posted October 6, 2005 Author Report Share Posted October 6, 2005 oh and also i was thing about a wet dry trickle filter like a diy sorta tower thing siting ontop of the sump??? would this work Cheers Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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